The saga of a couple's "discussion"

greentara
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My husband and I have been struggling for a while with our shared direction. I'll try to figure out what it is that he wants to do and he'll say something that doesn't exactly take into account our situation and if I point this out, he'll retreat into a temper tantrum (I hate to use that term about a 30 year old but slamming things, yelling at the kids, and walking out of the room qualifies). Or he'll suggest that we don't have to share the same direction. Which is kinda hard to wrap my head around considering that I have made a lot of compromises over the years based on what he wanted to do at the time. Like being here in Japan the first and second times. It is such a difficult discussion these days because it is like we only have two options: stay or go. I hate not having a buffet of choices. The thing is, if we stay, if my boss (whom I haven't told that I'm pregnant yet since I am not showing yet) goes along with my plan of letting my husband substitute for me when I have to give birth, then the plan is a bit after the baby's birth (like in the following spring) then I would find a better teaching job in a city. My issue with this is that I see my days stretching out in front of me without relief. My husband isn't exactly happy being a stay-at-home dad even though he wanted to do this, he wanted to homeschool the kids. But now he says he's waiting until our 2 year old is in preschool so he can get something done. He's disappointed with the new baby on the way as it delays his plans. I asked him what it is he wants to work on and he's super vague, "study Japanese, work on stuff". I totally get wanting space to work on creative endeavors but I don't think he understands that there will never be a right situation or time in terms of his definition of perfect. So it is irritating to me, pregnant and teaching full-time in a not so great school. I am really sad that I won't be around that much for the coming babe and that my husband, who is a very great father, will but with a touch of resentment. To me he seems lucky, to him he feels stuck.
The thing is, our options are slim. The recession makes moving or leaving even a not so great job rather difficult. Here we have insurance and a low cost of living. My oldest is enjoying Japanese kindergarten and learning a lot of Japanese and social skills (though not so much in terms of academic skills so I have to tutor him in the evenings and mornings). So it is not all bad. But my issue is with what is to come. Will I have to continue teaching English, finish a grad degree that I don't like, being the only breadwinner for an indefinite amount of time? He thinks it is the best plan but I am not so sure. I love Japan but I hate having only one option if I want to stay here.
I want him to get a university degree so he will be qualified for a working visa. He doesn't want to go to school. I really think it is unrealistic for a family of five to survive on a lowly teacher's salary in a foreign country. He doesn't see it that way. He's unwillingly to let go of the comfort we enjoy here for the possibility of improving our lot. It is a new segment in our discussion on this matter. You see, for a while, he couldn't go to school since there was an issue for student funding. But now that has been resolved and he still doesn't want to go. He will go through bouts of liking the idea of an art degree but now he doesn't feel like he needs to go to school for anything. I wish I could support him on this. I see his point of view. But I also see mine. I have to believe that there is more to life than just living in a foreign country because we like it.
I would go back to the States if I could. If I thought it would solve anything. That is the reason I went back last time. We were there for two years, with the intention that my husband would go to school and work so I could stay home with the kids for a while. But he couldn't get funding. And then he didn't like working full-time. So I took a teaching job so he could work part time. Then the recession hit and both of our jobs were cut. We moved in with my folks. It was uncomfortable. I slung coffee in a green apron. Moving to an island in Japan to teach preschoolers and live rent free seemed ideal.
But now he can get funding. He just doesn't want to go to school. Or he'll mention online programs. Which he can't start from here since he'll either need to take a placement exam or the SAT. So there is another indefinite delay.
Then there is the part of the discussion when he'll say, well obviously you're not happy here so what do you want to do? Which is a fair question but I think a deflection, distraction. Besides, I have made it clear that I want to work on my writing and take care of the kids. I think he doesn't remember this because it doesn't fit with what works for him.
Anyway, I thought I would put all this out here because honestly, I don't have any other sounding boards. We have told no one about the baby, even our closest friends. My husband has suggested keeping it a secret until after the birth which is somewhat of a charming idea except that I think it shows another step of denial.
If you have read though all my dribble and have any advice, please share. I think some outside perspective could go a long way right now.

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Lapis
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hard. keep talking, I say. do

hard.
keep talking, I say.

do you have any gut feelings? about any of it? what you want, what would be best for you, for him, for the family. do you have access to couples counseling?

thinking of you and keep us posted,

Hugs
Lapis

greentara
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thanks for the hugs, lapis. i

thanks for the hugs, lapis.
i actually don't really have any gut feelings about it. maybe all my typical intuition is being blocked by outside factors. like the recession. the recession is weighing terribly on me right now. i want to be able to support ourselves and i don't think that is absolutely possible in the states right now. here we are at least stable and able to take care of ourselves. but it can't last. either if we get the boot when i tell my boss i am pregnant or if we stay. living in japan for the long term without both adults being able to work (it is very strict in this regard and under the table money only goes so far) and without a strong command of the language is not only unsustainable but it is reckless. that is not a gut feeling but my logic at work. i am trying to find some way of balancing our love of japan with our personal ambitions and our family's needs. but it isn't easy. what is though? thanks for the support and i think i will have some more news on the matter soon.
take care.

Wildraven
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ugg

Your husband sounds a little too much like me - though I like to think that I am growing up!

I'm sure there are all kinds of wonderful reasons why you are with your spouse, and that he has all kinds of wonderful qualities besides the ones you've shared here. But right now, with this pregnancy, he's being kind of a self-centered, immature dick head. And I say that with the deepest empathy, and not really any advice!

So yeah, it's time to return the focus on yourself, keep checking in with how YOU feel - especially physically - that can be a good barometer when all else fails.

I'm sending you warmth and itty-bitty-baby love from across the ocean.

greentara
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thanks, raven. my husband is

thanks, raven.
my husband is often a knob-pull though i either don't admit it or choose to ignore it for his better qualities. he's a very kind and sympathetic person but he does not get what being pregnant means. he thinks that because this is my third time then i can just fly right through it. even when i had extreme morning sickness (for all three pregnancies) he was a bit resentful of the amount of time i had to spend being sick. his aggression is definitely passive aggressive and having grown up with a mother who specialized in that form, i just naturally bow to it. she was also a hypochondriac along with one of my sisters so i actually go the opposite way and never let people know how severe something is. so in some ways i am to blame for him having high expectations of my health and abilities. but is it so wrong to hope that your partner will have the sense to see what you are doing? maybe.
either way, thanks for your empathy. it means a lot to me.
take care.

lost account
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I know how you feel

I think part of your situation is hard for a lot of people to understand, but the ex-pat websites are full of it, and I've been sort of in the same situation. It made sense for my husband, my daughter and I to move to Mexico for my one-year fellowship with a Mexican research center. Financially, we are in much better shape, I am enjoying my work, my daughter is loving her school and Mexico even though she was so reluctant to leave California. But it seems really hard for the non-employed spouse in these situations. Isolated, can't really work, not really accoutable to anyone for anything aside from childcare. And I got really resentful of being the only one working.

But I'm not sure there's a solution, really, my partner went back to California so he could work, but its close enough that we could spend most weekends together. In your case, I should warn you though that you can encourage someone to go to school, but they really have to want to do it on their own, its a big commitment, a lot of work. But if you've been the sole breadwinner for a while, he owes you a year or two if you can pull it off financially.

Are you happy? Is your husband happy? If not, are there day-to-day kind of things you can do about it? There's something about being an isolated family unit in a foreign country that is not so healthy. And the pregnancy hormones on top of that...And I know its trite, but my day to day happiness has a lot more to doing fun stuff: doing art with my daughter, getting enough exercise, going to the beach, social activities, going sailing with my friends, reading books, watching movies, and making sure I have some space to myself...no matter where I'm living, how much I'm paying in rent, whether my husband is working or not.

I just wanted to tell you that probably hundreds of couples living abroad are having the same problems you guys are so don't feel so bad.

greentara
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It is definitely isolating

It is definitely isolating and difficult for non-expats to understand. We not only live really far from our family and American friends, but from our Japanese friends. We lived in a really nice central city in Japan before but now we are on a little rock where we haven't managed to make any good friends because not that many people understand what we are about. Has to do with the small town mentality, I suppose. Also, most of the people with things in common have kids at the school where I work. My husband is the only stay-at-home dad in the group and while they are nice, it is just too different from their way. Being a working mother I am used to not making any friends but I get that it is hard for my husband to not have any interaction during the day except on the playground. He is almost obsessed with the idea of moving from here back to where we were before but the jobs are simply not there right now. And I can't get a job with a baby coming in October. So we are supposed to wait until next spring to move but I worry that with a newborn, I won't want to keep jogging on that treadmill.
I do worry about making any big decisions while I am pregnant and emotional with hormones. Sometimes they take me by surprise. Like the other day when the new 3-4 year old class was being too wild and a couple of them were so mischievous that afterward I actually cried.
But last time, I did probably make the decision to return because I thought it would be nice to have the support of my family and friends but because we had been gone for two years, things had changed. Well, my mom hadn't. She was still as judgmental as ever and I wondered how I had ever thought she was going to be supportive. And now the only other option on our horizon is to return to her house. So, yeah, tough decisions.
You are right. It is the general daily happiness that makes life good. We typically live in that mind but now we must face something and I guess neither one of us are good at that. But it is the weekend so we can all be together and enjoy it. Exercise is a great idea. I need to get on that.
Thanks for your supportive words and good advice. Good luck to you and your family in Mexico. It sounds like you found a balance that works well for you. Take care.

lost account
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That's hard, I'm sorry

One thing that feels weird to me, is not telling anyone about the new baby. What if you did tell friends in Japan and maybe described to them more about both of your wants: you don't want to be the sole breadwinner and he doesn't want to go back to school maybe someone native to Japan would have some ideas for other options for you where your husband could contribute more to support, but maybe not have to go back to school and you could get a little more time with the kids.

greentara
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I know it is odd not to tell

I know it is odd not to tell anyone. Actually, that was taken care of yesterday. It was chilly so I wore a light cardigan and buttoned a couple of the top buttons, not realizing that this emphasized my growing bump. No one noticed until the school assembly yesterday morning when I had to get on stage and sing happy birthday to the students and one mother got suspicious and shared her idea with the other mothers. By the end of the day, everyone in the place knew. Except, hopefully, the boss who is the reason I have been keeping it a secret. You see, he's bipolar (not the best quality for a preschool principal, I know) and had been going through one of his bad slumps for the past few months. We went through six secretaries since the end of March. So the situation is delicate. And I couldn't tell my family until I knew what our future was like here. So yesterday set the ball in motion. I sent an email to the woman who serves as my representative (she got me the job and helps me through any misunderstandings with the boss), told her the situation and asked her to help. I told her that I figure there are two choices: either we leave in September or I stay and my husband substitutes for me while I take a few weeks of maternity leave after the baby is born. I have actually wanted to tell them for a while but my husband persuaded me to wait until after my worker's visa had been renewed (thinking of my temperamental boss). But the process has taken longer than anticipated. In fact, yesterday, when everyone found out about the pregnancy, I also got a notice that I could return to the immigration office for my new visa. Funny, huh?
Anyway, thanks for the advice. Take care.

lost account
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No solid advice. You are in

No solid advice. You are in a complicated situation. I would say the most important thing for you two right now is that you make time to talk about these issues, until you're blue in the face if necessary. Make a list of all possible options, even the far out there ones, just so you can try to come up with a plan. He's got to put his feelings about the baby to the side for a minute to come up with a plan-of-action for your family. Then, you can have all the empathy in the world for his feelings of being trapped. Besides, its not as if you don't have your own set of feelings dealing with an unexpected pregnancy, even if you do want to keep the baby. This is changing your life, too. Keep us posted, mama. I'll be thinking of you and sending the )))clarity(((( vibes in droves.

greentara
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Thanks for the vibes. I do

Thanks for the vibes. I do think both of us have to come to terms with this new one. I have been in my journals and at night when I sleep with my hand so I can feel it moving. But he isn't interested. Which I suppose is normal since it isn't happening to him but considering we already have two awesome kids, why wouldn't he be excited about more happiness? But since he is the one who has to tend to the newborn, he's not so keen on the idea. Of course, I take care of the kids too but I suppose that is expected. I think we are dealing with a lot of gender role issues in our marriage. I think it funny how impressed people are with the fact that my husband stays at home and changes diapers. That he will cook and clean. Sure, he isn't consistent but compared with most Japanese husbands, my American husband is golden. When they are praising him, I don't mention how breakfast and dinner usually fall to me, how I spend the weekend doing laundry and really cleaning the house (not just tidying up), how I tutor the boys in the evenings and weekends. So I think what is happening is that I am too tired to protest or have any high expectations and he is getting a swollen head from the fact that compared to a bunch of workaholic, heavy drinking, chauvinistic husbands, he is amazing. I mean, this sounds bad. I am not being very nice about my own husband. He is a great guy but we need to figure out how to take care of this family, together. So yes, more talking, more figuring out what to do. Until we are blue in the face.
Thanks for the advice. take care.

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