Upside of the Downturn

hollygolightly
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Don't get me wrong, I know there is a huge cost to the economic downturn in this country. My state (MA) is on fire right now for the budget cuts that are underway--why is it always cut from the people that need it most--but I am trying to look at the other side of the coin, too. I really think America needed a swift kick in the ass. The current economic model we function under is dysfunctional! We have left the markets to a group of elite men that have squandered the money in an endless war, insecure ventures, and taken huge bonuses when the average person can not pay their heating bills.
Everyone is shouting that we are becoming socialists but in my opinion, is that such a terrible thing?! The current capitalistic view we have applied is not working: our global reputation is shot, we can not take care of people in need in our own country, and we are supporting oil companies that are robbing us blind. Why is a little regulation with banks such a bad thing...it is obvious that they can not function without it. The government now has an ownership in 8 US banks and there are plenty of people freaking out that that is the end of American capitalism and freedom.
I have to laugh in a way because these same people sit on their hands when in Ireland when the Parliament tried to cut pensions, were bombarded by thousands of elderly, forcing them to change the model, as they realized they were functioning under the American economic model, and abandoning the social aspect of their economic model.
It breaks my heart that so many people are struggling in this country, including myself, but I also think that it is time for us to look at our priorities. There is such a huge demand for low prices in this country, yet we tend to forget that there is ALWAYS a price for this low cost: either human costs in production or environmental costs in transport or disposal of waste. It is a shitty situation because we need the lower prices but at the same time, need to be better consumers. And, then I have to ask, do we NEED all the things that we have?! When Ava goes to friends' houses, I am amazed and apalled at how much stuff these kids have, it is ridiculous. We have been trained to want and to spend, no matter the personal cost or global cost. For God's sake, some people function on the cost of a cup of coffee in other countries. So, I guess what I'm saying is I think it is time to reevaluate our spending culture. This is a personal issue for me because both of my parents are compulsive spenders and it was a learned behaviour growing up. I thought buying THINGS made me happier, but having kids simultaneously shrinking my bank account, has made me realize what is really important in my life. I am in no way sitting upon my moral high horse here, and I know I am preaching to the choir, but the recent events in my life has forced me to look at things differently.
If you've read this far, thanks for listening to my musings...have a good day, mamas.

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very well said... the upside is

probably less destruction of the environment (with less travel, less eating out, less buying of unnecessary 'stuff'), less social injustice thru the curbing of compulsive spending on goods from 3rd world countries, new awareness of how we prioritize time with our kids, family and friends.

Change is painful, but at this point probably necessary if we are ever to gain back the trust of the rest of the world. and undo the gross social injustice here and abroad. and prevent a complete environmental meltdown.

hollygolightly
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Well said, mama. You must

Well said, mama.
You must live, not simply exist.

huck
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i like what you have said

and i agree whole-heartdly, though sadly i do not feel the economic crisis will change the economic model; and i will still bust my ass working 2 or 3 jobs and just maybe will be able to buy food and heat at the same time.

hollygolightly
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I don't think it will bust

I don't think it will bust the model, either, huck. But I do sincerely hope it makes people realize that what they do buy does make a difference and if more and more people that are not normally strapped, will be affected in some small way, then they might be able to dig up some compassion. This is what I hope, but I'm also not naive enough to believe that the "haves" will ever truly adjust their lives to help others. That, I fear, is beyond any economic model but rather socialized into some people and is the side effect of having too much all of the time. I'm with you, along with many other mamas, busting our ass in one way or another. The disparity in this country is beyond depressing.
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i hope that things will change

I agree with what you've said.
I'm a socialist at heart and always have been.
All we see about the United States here in Spain are documentaries about the incredible disparities between the haves and the have nots.
I know that for me the decision to stay in Spain was largely based on the socialist system here. It makes me feel much calmer to know that my kids will AUTOMATICALLY have free health/dental care and low priced medicines just because they are kids and can't fend for themselves. DH and i will always have free health care and low priced medicines just because we have worked in our lives. Hell i had free health care, just because i was an illegal immigrant with no documented wages.
I know that things are more expensive here and we pay more taxes, but i would rather pay more taxes just to know that if something terrible happens to us our medical bills will not put us under. That if we have a child with a medical problem he or she will never be denied insurance because s/he has a pre-existing condition.
It was a terrible heart break for me to realize that i could not in good conscience raise my children in the american system (I do not mean to judge anybody else with that statement)... If i could have i think it would have been much easier for me psychologically/emotionally to stay in the states with people of my own culture and be nearer to my family.
I want my family to have the same underlying sense of security that i feel just by living here.

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Believe me, I would jump at

Believe me, I would jump at the chance to move to Spain. I think Europe in general has a better attitude toward "caring" for others in general, but I'll save everyone from that tangent. The health care system in this country is beyond horrible.
Spain is the first place on our list to go once the girls are old enough to appreciate a big trip like that. Thanks for your comments.
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We almost stayed...

someone we knew was selling a bar in a resort town and we thought very seriously about it but then...came back. I'm still trying to figure out how to do it, Spain seems ideal.

mamasan
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a little tangent about Spain

I totally agree with what you are both saying about the benefits of socialism, but I have to bring up one point about Spain (and many/most regions of the world, US included) - the classism and racism totally killed me. I lived with a Spanish host family for an entire year, and they will no longer speak to me because I am married to a person of color. And it wasn't just a this particular family. The way that non-white foreigners (especially North Africans) are treated is terrible. I guess my point is that there is no perfect place. But the country is gorgeous and the food is fantastic!

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hollygolightly
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I think unfortuneatly, this

I think unfortuneatly, this is everywhere. My best friend lived just outside of Paris in a "bad section" but it was only deemed bad because the North Africans lived there. It scares and saddens me that no matter where you go, there is racism. I am not claiming by any means that Spain is perfect, but I do think in general Europeans are a bit better than their US counterparts of looking beyond themselves. Europe has a handful of employment and social problems too, but I'd much rather be there than here, I guess. Just my humble opinion. Thanks for pointing this out, though, it is a great point.
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hear hear! PREACH

I feel you, ish is about to get real for plenty of folks here in the USA. been real for many folks already though. I find interesting that now that the middle class is feeling all pinched, the economy is considered 'bad'...like all the millions of poor who've been poor all this time don't/didn't even exist or something.

You know what else trips me out is how disconnected Americans are from their food. We are a stone's throw from a real food crisis in this country and I don't think many people realize it. but even without that, it just weirds me out how few people know how to make food from scratch, how to grow food from seed, how to can and preserve food, how to have animals for food/animal products. I have a few friends who are old, and talking to them and their friends has really opened my eyes to what I call the 'lost arts' of just basic sustenance. They are older women and blame feminism for the fact that many women of my generation, my mother's generation, don't know the basics of food/household care, but I don't think that's true because most men these days don't know the basics of what used to be considered the 'mens work', like killing hogs or putting on a roof or waterproofing a basement.

well I've gone off on a tangent. in short, I think everyone should live in a hut and have some chickens. the end!

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hollygolightly
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Love your tangent! I agree

Love your tangent! I agree about the food issue: it is really, really scary how many people are like this. Michael Pollan was on Fresh Air Monday and damn, that guy is smart. If you can, go to NPR and dig it out, it was a great interview. As soon as I'm done with school, I plan on reading his new book and dh just finished Kingsolver's shoot, I can not remember the title...about farming and he is all gung ho about getting chickens and growing more of our food. It is so true that we have moved farther and farther away from the earth, in more ways than one. Thanks for your comments, mama, you made me think and that is a great thing!
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earthgarden
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yah that's a great book

I recommend it to everyone even mildly interested in this stuff! the title is Animal, Vegetable, Mineral. it really is a great read, informative from beginning to end. Smile

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