Color

Submitted by lana on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 8:51pm.

Mamaneen's blog the other day about racially mixed kids and especially Strange Quark's reply to it (about how it is detrimental to teach kids to be "color blind") got me thinking.

My 4 year old daughter has never really questioned skin color. She has noted that her own skin is tan (her father is half Chilean, and people frequently comment on her "pretty skin tone") but I don't think she's ever really heard or at least noticed herself or others being labeled as "black" or "white" or anything else.

The differences she's more interested in are size-related (is she bigger than me? why is she bigger than me? when will I be that big?) and so in that context she's heard me say many times that people come in all different colors, shapes, and sizes. She seems to totally accept this, and I think that's why she's never been that curious about other people's skin color.

Since she hasn't brought these issues up, I haven't either. Maybe I already should have, but I guess I felt like for now it's nice for her to just fully accept that people look different, without bombarding her with information about our fucked up history and treatment of people of color. I don't know. But what Strange Quark wrote about white privilege and how skin color is not the same as crayon colors struck me.

So when should I start talking to her about this and how?

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Submitted by mamaneen on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 7:38pm.

she is in such a hurry to grow bigger and bigger until, she says, "i'm taller than that tree and touch the sky!" i'm not in such a hurry for her to grow bigger, but she's doing it anyway, and i'm just trying to keep up.

my partner and i had dissimilar experiences as kids with how our families approached heritage, race, and self-concept. we both had aspects that we liked and didn't like, and we've tried to use what we liked and what we've learned since as well. what i've read about raced identity development in young kids is conflicting, so i'm just feeling my way along mostly.

from the beginning, dd has had a panoply of books at home and from the library that show the various cultures/races she's descended from and those she's not and that show mixed families and queer families and gimp families {i'm a gimp}, et cetera. our "village" is populated by folks who are mixed, who are from a variety of races, who are queer, who are str8, et cetera. we've also controlled her media exposure to the extent we could {don't get me started on tv time at the preschool and *@#@$%** disney princesses} to give more time to kids' dvds that are about or include kids of color - dora, happily ever after, little einsteins {i know, i know, but she loves them}, the magic school bus, et cetera. given this context, we still talked about folks descriptively with her and avoided using race-construction based abstractions like "black" or "white" or even "mixed" until she started bringing them up herself.

even when she did, she was still a bit nonplussed and confused by them - of course, 'cuz they're totally arbitrary, but as adults, we don't tend to think about that so much. so, that and our efforts to give her a grounding in her various cultures has lead to some as-age-appropriate-as-we-can-make-'em conversations about anti-semitism, genocide, slavery, bigotry, et cetera. we are definitely feeling our way along with this. we decided faith ringgold's invisible princess was too intense for her age { http://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Princess-Faith-Ringgold/dp/044041735X } 'cuz it made us both tear up. on the other hand, we decided we could give a vague outline of slavery, colonialism, and imperialism to help make tim tingle's crossing bok chitto { http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Bok-Chitto-Choctaw-Friendship/dp/09383177... } or spalding and skow's the secret of the dance { http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Dance-Andrea-Spalding/dp/1551433966/ref=sr_... } make sense.

we're trying to walk the line of giving her a positive grounding in the complexity of cultures and heritages that she's part of and should honor in others and of giving her some sense of the related histories and presents without crossing it and overwhelming her capacity to understand or cope. if i could heal the world, so she never had to know the wounds, i'd never bring it up at all. i can't, though, so i'd rather she was well grounded and helped to learn gradually about them. i had them thrust upon me rather starkly as a kid, and i'll spare her that if i can.

so, that's a rough ramble about how we're approaching these issues. i hope it was of some use. thanks for the thread and the thinking that went into it.

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"if i pass for other than what i am, do you feel safer?" ~ lani ka'ahumanu

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Submitted by Strange Quark on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 4:23pm.

"Fundamentally the markswoman aims at herself" DT Suzuki

Submitted by mamaneen on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 4:43pm.

we have a great children's room at the main branch of the public library, so i've just stumbed across a lot of 'em. i keep a list on amazon - http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/1Q5Q6426NG8I4/ref=cm_wl_rlist... i add to it from our library visits as a reference point for books to gift other kids in the family and/or to be gifted to Morrigan for home, and i also print it out occasionally to take to the library, so we can check books out that sound promising. i haven't read all the books on the list, so i can't vouch for all of them, but i thought it might be of some interest to you?

Lilypie4th Birthday Ticker

"if i pass for other than what i am, do you feel safer?" ~ lani ka'ahumanu

dragon knows dragon

Submitted by Strange Quark on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 7:33pm.

I'm going to bookmark it for future reference. It is totally of interest to me!

"Fundamentally the markswoman aims at herself" DT Suzuki

Submitted by mamaneen on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 8:08pm.

you're welcome. i'm glad if it'll be of use.

Lilypie4th Birthday Ticker

"if i pass for other than what i am, do you feel safer?" ~ lani ka'ahumanu

dragon knows dragon

Submitted by turtle on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 10:58pm.

okay, all totally theoretical cos my kid's not even born yet. But I think there are stages through this. When kids are really young, I'm not sure they can truly appreciate the historical significance of race. Four may be too young to understand things on a very profound level. But they can appreciate difference - I think this happens at a very young age, as far as I can tell from what the experts say, and so being exposed to other people and children of different races and ethnicities than their own at a young age - either in real life and/or through books, etc. is important, in my opinion. And talking about those differences, especially when brought up by the child. I read the anti-racist parent blog a lot to stimulate myself to think about these things, find out what other anti-racist parents think. I also plan to read more about race identity development. I'm pretty committed to raising anti-racist kids, as opposed to just unracist kids, you know? And frankly, I'm committed to being more and more anti-racist myself!

But then again, I plan to educate my kids to be critical thinkers on a whole range of things, like the media, the government, etc. So really I'm just a freaky lefty mama!

Submitted by Strange Quark on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 5:46pm.

www.antiracistparent.com

(I also like the podcast done by the same people: http://www.addictedtorace.com/
and their other blog: http://www.racialicious.com/)

For myself, this is really hard stuff. I made a racist comment on this site about 3 years ago, and I didn't realize what I was saying. I was super opposed to all of the postings about white privilege and anything having to do with recognizing my membership in racist/oppressive portion of our culture. I was "color blind" and repeatedly said things like, "color doesn't matter, it's what's inside that counts." Boy, was I wrong. Some mamas on this site called me out for my bullshit remark, and I spent the next couple of days crying and feeling sorry for myself, and then the next two weeks investigating essays online about what it means to be a white person. I realized that part of my cultural upbringing, even though my parents thought it was "unracist," certainly lead to turning me into a racist, and somebody who contributed to the racism in this country, all the while thinking that I was making a change.

I think that I understand the difference between a bigot and a racist now, and I am certainly a racist, though I am not a bigot. Every time I type that out, it makes me feel like shit -- and I want to cry out that it's not my fault, or make some kind of excuse for it...but it doesn't matter. What matters is that I am, and I need to change it. And I've got a white son that I'm raising, which makes this an even bigger deal. So, for myself, the answer is that I need to take the proper actions regarding my own racism, and allow my son to watch those fully.
I do this by not accepting the conversation, when I am sitting with a bunch of whites who want to make a racist joke, or say something bigoted. I do this by mentioning to the store clerk that I think it's irresponsible of them to not carry band-aids in darker skin tones. I do this by understanding that when I speak up against the racism in this culture, it is usually in a group in which someone with darker skin would not be heard in the same way.
My son is about to turn three, and I think it would be inappropriate to sit him down and try to explain his privilege to him at this point, but he certainly sees me talking to the clerk and speaking against racism when I am given the opportunity.
I think that those things are the things that matter, but I am still learning, big time, in all of this, about my own contributions, and I am still making lots of mistakes. I guess that one of the lessons I've learned in this is that I've got to be willing to make mistakes in front of people, and allow my weaknesses to be shown, and I need to be open when other people point them out to me.

"Fundamentally the markswoman aims at herself" DT Suzuki

Submitted by bubblyja on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 12:05am.

You are right on. >Bubbly Mama Smiling big and cheering inside for Turtle Mama< Smiling

I become insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity. - Edgar Allan Poe

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