getting your toddler to sleep

Submitted by sweetdumpling on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 7:23pm.

anyone else find this a struggle?

i used to be ok with it. it was a struggle i could manage. but since she's gotten so close to the two's its gotten harder. whether she *knows* that the baby is coming and is going to cramp her style, or what i dont know. but she certainly is changing.

our naps and sleep times go kind of like this:
read a book or 2.
lie down on her bed, me beside her and her inside the bed.
she'll ask me to sing a song, so i do. but when she starts to talk or get up or wiggle or ask for water, i'm done singing.
she continues to wiggle/ask for water/be generally protesting.
i lie beside her and close my eyes
she asks for another hug and kiss (which - ya, is cute, but after the third...forth time.....)

last night it took over an hour to get her to bed. then she got up and would only go back with me.
ok. i'm a huge preggo mama getting down on the ground beside her bed (which is half a foot from the floor). its really not easy or comfortable!

i've never succeded with leaving her to put herself to bed, and that is fine with me. i just would like the process to be faster.
are there any tips out there?

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Submitted by Wildraven on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 11:39pm.

For us it was the worst during the month before #2 was born - I think they have a sixth toddler-sense that alerts them to the impending arrival/doom of a new sibling! I remember the night I went into labor I had to very carefully and quietly peel the fledgling off me so she would stay asleep while I got up and had contractions in the other room! I was so scared of her waking up because I knew there was no way I could get her back down while I was in labor!

And even still, there's no way she'll sleep if she doesn't want to. Doesn't matter if I read in the room, snuggle on top of her (all 210 lbs of me when I was pregnant!), sing songs until I fall asleep singing . .. it doesn't matter if its 3:30 in the morning or 2 in the afternoon. She parties when she wants to, and she sleeps when she wants to. But we keep trying anyway.

But here's where you might have some hope - once the baby is born, Pait might shift a bit and get a little more independent, especially around falling asleep. It happened for us, and I know of some others that had the same experience. So hold out a little longer and hope for the best this summmer!

Submitted by azblue on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 8:28pm.

Just commiseration. Up until 2 months ago DS (2y 3m) had to be nursed to sleep at nap time. When I stopped nursing he would lay there and cry for a long time until he would just get so tired that he would finally crawl over to me and put his head on my shoulder and go to sleep. So now he goes to sleep within minutes but his head HAS to be on my shoulder to do it. I can get up and leave as soon as he is asleep, and thank goodness he crashes fairly quickly, but there were a few weeks that I knew that my afternoon would be shot while he learned to sleep without nursing. We are now 100% weaned but I think he still needs to feel that comforting presence of my body next to his to fall asleep. I guess I am okay with it 'cause I am not ready to give up nap time yet!

Good luck mama!

Submitted by sweetdumpling on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 3:17pm.

i know i'm not alone!!
i think a lot of it is because i nursed her for a long time. we've been stopped now for 4 months or so and she's totally fine, but she still needs that connection.
during the night when she climbs into bed with me she'll put her hand on me and wiggle it around. it makes me CRAZY!! so i'm teaching her not to do that. but she still needs the connection.
i'm good with that as long as it doesnt take an hour!!

Submitted by hollygolightly on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 2:29pm.

Oh, mama, I feel for you. You poor thing. I had a similar situation when I was pregnant with Lily--Ava was 19 months when she was born. I used to lay on the floor until she fell asleep and it was so hard for me as I got bigger and bigger. My girls are now 2 and 3.5yo and this is our routine:
Naptime is 30 mins after lunch
we use potty, wash hands and face and brush teeth. Read two books, put on soft music, give them each two book to read on their own and I walk out. On a perfect day--I can count these on one hand--they fall asleep. But on every other, I usually end up reading in their room until they fall asleep, which as much as it drives me crazy, is the best way to go. I get to read, have some rest myself, and they feel comforted. I've never been one to let them cry it out, so this is our best solution.
I was just reading the other day that it is totally normal for a 2yo to start protesting naps. The article was saying if it is too much a fight, let them skip it and put them to bed earlier. I've done this a few times with Lily and at 6.30 she is toast. This is a tough age and expecting another one is so exhausting. I wish you luck, mama.
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Submitted by KJ on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 11:57pm.

these are such great tips for when my #2 is ready for independent sleep (hopefully in bed with big sis)

Submitted by sweetdumpling on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 8:17pm.

that sounds like what i'm going to try next. it'll be interesting when the new babe is here.

Submitted by KJ on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 12:34pm.

This sounds exactly like our situation when #1 was 2. We started to say things like "Mama (or papa) has to go to the bathroom, then I'll be right back" and just not go back in. She would usually crash within a couple of minutes. Sometimes we'd go in and out a couple of times. This was just a few months after she needed to be nursed to sleep - we couldn't believe she'd actually go to sleep on her own.

Now she's 3.5 & bedtime still isn't so easy, but it is much, much better - we use the same strategy.

good luck mama - being hugely pregnant with a 2 year old is so, so hard!!!

Submitted by sweetdumpling on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 2:01pm.

but i dont think pait would let me get away with it!

Submitted by mnemosyne on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 3:21am.

It takes forever to get dd down these days--we have pretty much the same process. I rented supernanny on dvd and she has a bedtime routine where you sit next to the bed and just keep putting the child back in bed but not making eye contact or talking to them after the first couple of times, and then you gradually increase your distance from the bed over a course of days, but I haven't had the conviction to do that yet. I do find that some chamomile tea before bed helps to mellow her out and we have music that she's somewhat conditioned to sleep to.

Submitted by sweetdumpling on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 2:00pm.

supernanny always seems to be a good idea in theory, but i'm not sure that i could do it in reality. but i think i'll try the chamomile tea. she loves tea anyway. thanks!

Submitted by Henry on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 2:42am.

my kid is more or less the same. I sympathize. I find it to be a pain in the ass and I'm not pregnant a bit.

My best solution is that I read to myself after I am done with his story (sit in his bed and ignore him for the most part while I read - I love to read) so that helps me stay calm, plus I get to read a lot. BUt it sucks and breaks up our evening. And yeah, after an hour or so he often wakes up and I either take him back to bed and start all over, put him in our bed (he ends up there every night) or hold him while he sleeps if we are watching a dvd or something.

Right now it seems like the "solutions" are worse than the problem.

Submitted by sweetdumpling on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 1:58pm.

i've been meaning to sit and read while she sleeps, or tries to sleep. i never get a chance to anyway, so it would be good for me. i feel like i still need to be there. she has to almost be touching me when she's sleeping. but i think she could get used to me being at the end of the bed.

Submitted by guava on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:08pm.

When ds hit 2.5 he started doing something similar at bedtime. At this point he was taking a 2-3 hour nap in the afternoon. I started waking him up after he'd napped for an hour. He was still pretty groggy, but it was just enough to ensure that he'd be tired at bedtime.

When he started preschool last fall, he stopped taking naps altogether. Now he will occasionally nap if he's really exhausted or sick, but otherwise we just forego it and put him down an hour earlier at bedtime.

The other thing is that when he starts thrashing around or trying to rile himself up, I'll leave the room and let him freak out for a little while before I come back in. This way, I can use the "nope, you're not trying to go to sleep - I'm leaving" threat and he will actually believe me and try to close his eyes and relax.

I was a hugely preggo mama at the time too, so I feel your pain! Good luck!!

"Too weird to live. Too rare to die." - Hunter S. Thompson

Submitted by sweetdumpling on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 1:53pm.

the whole, "do you want me to leave", and of course, she'll say yes.

the days when she has a one hour nap work the best for night time. the last 2 days she's had 2 hour naps, but mainly because i'm napping too.

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