Advice needed on kid hitting my kid

Submitted by Henry on Sat, 06/30/2007 - 4:21pm.

So I got carried away in the high-energy boy thread and related this kid I know to the kid in that situation and it was unfair and wrong of me.
That said, it seems like I need some advice. This kid, A, is two, he is energetic, cute and silly and happy as hell. He is very physical and affectionate. He is not well socialized though and (I am friends with his mom) when he is around my son he hits him, takes anything he is holding and pushes him down. It doesn't happen every time, sometimes one of these things happens more than once. He is a great kid and very exuberant, not at all mean or anything, a lot of energy and physical prowess, I don't mean in any way that he is bad, nasty, mean or abnormal - just energetic and overly physical with my kid. Not overly physical - just how the interaction goes. If my kid thought it was fun or funny it would be a different story.
Me- I try to protect my son by coaching him on what to say ("no, don't touch me" type of stuff) or what to do (offer him a toy, come to me) or I rescue him by stopping the other kid's hand or picking my son up. I follow through on what I say I will do with my kid pretty much all the time.
My son - two, small, cute and silly. Verbal, physically restrained, social and sensitive. Falls down a lot due to bad balance (from a medical issue that we have covered - not a reason for concern) which adds to his lack of physical zeal. He is playful and loves kids. Most of the time if the kid hits him he tries to get away and says no and asks me to pick him up. So far he has not hit the kid back.
A - covered above. A great kid with some behavior I find hard to deal with.
His mom- great. Strong and funny and interesting. She has more of a "let the kids work it out" style and rarely intercedes. She will some of the time if her kid won't stop hitting mine (so we both go over) and then she says "no, be gentle" or "we don't hit" and her kid laughs and runs away (in a game way, I am not trying to imply that he is mocking, he is still having fun) OR he throws himself down on the ground sobbing because he can't keep hitting or tackeling or taking an object. She tells my son that he didn't mean it, he was just saying hi or trying to share or giving a hug.
And we have talked a little about it, but it's a hard thing. I try to follow my kid pretty closely when they are together without hovering (if I don't things can go too far before I get there - sometimes the kid is really hurting him and for a while after one incident he was afraid of all kids for about a week). She also doesn't have a lot of support or time to herself and I am one of her few friends with kids and it's one of the few chances her son has of playing with another kid right now. I want to keep seeing them but not, of course, if it will hurt my kid.
So how do I deal?

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Submitted by Strange Quark on Sun, 07/01/2007 - 3:45pm.

If you do, I would recommend ordering the video, Raising Cain. I think it's got a lot of really great strategies for dealing with boys.

My son tends to hit a bit when we are out. He's not quite two yet, and I guess the hitting started when he was around 1 year old. It's lessened quite a bit, but it was hard for me to deal with as the mother. I was hanging out with a friend who has a boy son about 6 months younger than my own, who is very laid back and calm...and she recommended the Raising Cain video to me.

My son used to hit younger children a lot, in which case, I would intercede and redirect him. The hitting was usually happening for a reason. If he was hitting because he wanted some physical contact with the other child, I would suggest a hug or kiss instead, and he would be super responsive to that. Even now, when hitting occurs, it is usually for this reason: because my son wants physical contact with the other child. He's very loving and sensitive, but doesn't know all of the socially acceptable ways to go about it, and thinks that hitting is a funfilled and energetic way to get that touch in.
The other reason that I've seen my son hit is out of frustration. In this case, I think that he needs to hit something to get that energy out of his body, and so I have been trying to redirect the hitting to be a slap at the floor, or a pillow, rather than at another child.

If he's hitting a child who is as large as he is, or larger, I tend to give them quite a while to work it out. Most of the parents that I hang out with share this philosophy, though many of the one's I see at the park don't... I have noticed that when I intercede, it doesn't tend to teach my son that he shouldn't hit (because the hitting doesn't appear to be lessened by my behavior. What has seemed to curb my child's hitting in a big way is letting the other child(ren, tell him that it's not okay and that they don't like it. I have especially noticed that in larger social groups of children, the older female children have tended to step in and take charge of the younger boys behavior. My son seems to respond to a 5 or 6 year old girl in ways that neither I, nor the other parents with me, can evoke from him.

So, anyway, I don't really know what the best thing for you to do is, but that's sort of what I've been doing 'on the other side'. There is an older boy that we know who was really messing with ds, and after a few weeks of this, ds finally just hauled off and decked him. This other child is 5. He has left ds alone since then. Before I had this kid, I would have been shocked to hear a mother say this, but what the hell...

"The Universe Molds Itself To Prove Your Beliefs"

Submitted by Mercury on Sat, 06/30/2007 - 5:45pm.

One of my very best friends has a little boy the same age as my youngest, and when we first started hanging out (roughly 7 years ago, so our boys were 2ish then) we had our boys together all the time. Her son is a nice kid, easy-going, but then he was just a tad more aggressive than my son. He would hit him and stuff, and my friend wouldn't say anything to him about it. So I would tell him to cut it out, as T-bop was not very verbal as a toddler and didn't speak much. He would, but then would try hitting my son when I wasn't looking.

Finally one day after this kid kept bopping him in the head with a pillow, T-bop laid him out, he just decked him one right in the face and knocked him down. Then my friend said something, and got salty. I had T-bop apologize and tried to explain to her that yes, his punching her son in the face was an over-reaction to getting hit on the head with a boppy pillow, but this was just the straw that broke the camel's back for him, as this kid was always hitting him all the time. And she had never tried to stop her son from hitting him anyway. She calmed down and all, and the boys resumed playing. This kid never laid a hand on my son again.

By the time they were 5ish they stopped being friends of their own accord...they still play with each other and hang out when they see each other (she lives next door to my in-laws and my kids are over there at least once a week), like if all the kids on the street are playing a game they'll play with each other then. But they are not close at all (like won't invite the other to birthday parties and over each other's houses and stuff) and that's ok.

Your kid doesn't have to be friends with her kid just because you two are friends. I know it's hard to schedule separate time now because the kids are toddlers, but it gets easier as they get older. In retrospect I wish I had spoken up to my friend earlier and asked her to directly intervene when her son was hitting mine...and if she wouldn't have agreed to that I would have just not had my son around her son.

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Submitted by Strange Quark on Sun, 07/01/2007 - 3:46pm.

said anything to her kid, but got all upset when your kid finally got aggressive with him. It's not very consistent.

Great advice Mercury.

"The Universe Molds Itself To Prove Your Beliefs"

Submitted by inniway on Sun, 07/01/2007 - 3:11pm.

This is just the beginning of how your son will learn how to deal with his friends and playmates, and he will look to you more as he gets older for how to handle these situations. It's hard to choose between being "nice" and voicing your concerns, but you have to do it. If the other mom doesn't agree that it's any big deal, then you shoudn't feel bad that you don't want the kids playing together too often.

I have a friend whose son has been out of control off and on, so if we have a playdate or whatever and it doesn't go well, we just don't see them for a month or so. This mom is great, but our parenting styles don't agree much.

Don't feel bad about needing to make some boundaries.

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The best way to ensure children are well cared for is to support their mothers." --MomsRising.org

Submitted by briefcandle on Sat, 06/30/2007 - 5:44pm.

I'm answering from the perspective of being a preschool teacher of 2 yr olds. There are two bullies in my class, and they hit others all day long (any second that the teachers aren't looking). My child has gotten full-body tackled down to the floor and given a bloody lip, others have gotten slapped, shoved into walls, and hit over the head repeatedly with hard toys. Here are my thoughts:

- you have to protect your child; show him how to stand up for himself & be there to rescue him if he is pinned down, etc. pay attention to his grievance

-I try to give comfort to the hurt child first, then say "no hitting" in a low voice to the other child

- since I'm the teacher, and not in a playdate situation, I take the other child out of the room, sit him on a chair, and use a lot of words to say 'no hitting, hitting isn't nice, we don't hit our friends', etc for a minute or so. This kind of physical follow through is working better than just the verbal one. Also, pointing to the hand that they hit with so they know what's being referred to specifically, instead of just intellectually.

- Try to interact with the bully more, offer them specific activities, lots of good praise for otherwise unremarkable behavior ("you stacked up those blocks so well" "you made that car go so fast", etc)

- Practice "playing nice" with them: have a lot of mediated games where the bully is taught to wait & help before being destructive; like helping the calm kid build a tower & hold off on kicking it down until the calm child agrees it's time to bring it down.

- be on the lookout for potential hitting. like now I know that when one child is playing calmly with something, and one of the bullies approaches, I try to be there physically bc I know that usually an unprovoked slap, push, or shove is going to be the way the bully "greets" the situation. so I get there and start talking about whatever kid A is playing with, and offer the bully a chance to join in or whatever.

Bottom line is, that it takes a lot more physical presence & interference on the part of the teacher/parent to manage the bully's behavior. You can't just expect them to play amicably together, with only an occasional toy grabbing incident. Somewhere along the way, they learned that hitting is acceptable and it's a habit that needs to be gently stopped with constant reminders and re-enactments of positive behavior.
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Submitted by mnemosyne on Sun, 07/01/2007 - 4:07am.

I want you to be MY kids preschool teacher!

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