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There have been a few recent discussions of break-ups and I'd like to share mine. This is very painful to me. I don't want to have to defend myself, to convince you to agree with my choices. I want to talk about what has happened and how I feel.

Well, I feel bad. I am breaking up with my brother. No, this does not mean I will never speak to him again. I don't know what this means, entirely; one thing I'm sure of is I am done seeking him out, only to be rejected repeatedly and rarely if ever returned some common courtesies he extends to his employer and his friends. I have always been close to my family, I've always put them first in my heart. I love(d) my brother very, very, very much and this is one of the most painful things I've had to face in as long as I can remember.

The reason I have to do something now is I am worried if things go on the way they are I won't forgive him for what's been happening.

My brother and I grew up close, being less than two years apart in age. For as far back as I remember we had the same groups of friends. I have so many, many memories of the two of us and our friends and good times together. Our closeness began changing slightly while I was in college; by the time I was dating Ralph, we were close but our paths were starting to diverge a bit. Soon I started noticing The Pattern: the pattern of me pursuing, pressing, cajoling, asking - and him being standoffish. Accepting my offer to buy him lunch as if it was a favor to me, niggling about terms. That sort of thing. This only seems to have worsened over the last few years I've had a family, with perhaps a few interludes of what felt like a relationship shared in equanimity.

One year ago I realized his deliberate distancing must indicate an (undisclosed by him) dissatisfaction with me or with us. He was not coming forth with this dissatisfaction (if indeed there was one). But I felt responsible to let him know I wanted time with him, and I was open to changes in our relationship. So I made it clear to him I'd like something different than both the child terms of Kelly-on-top relationship and the adult evolution of Billy-as-aloof relationship (yes, our names are Kelly and Billy! Funny eh?). I didn't want to always be the "seeker" to his emotionally distant maybe-yes-maybe-no. I wanted something more like an adult friendship of choice, with courtesy, with jettison of baggage as we felt ready, with direct communication if possible but more to the point, mutual respect. If he needed less time with me, I'd like him to then take initiative when he was ready to be with me. After briefly explaining this to him I asked him if he'd commit to a visit. I told him I didn't care when it was or how long the visit would be, I wanted him to commit and for it to happen. We settled on the first week in October (2006), about a half year away from the discussion.

As October approached, he did not bring up the visit. One evening on a phone call (me calling him) he started talking about the date as if it was something I'd coerced him into, not something we'd agreed on together, clear-eyed and sober and openly. "So when did you want me to visit?" he asks, implying a very full schedule, stress on his part, and as if HE hadn't *set the date and terms himself*. (this is crazy-making and confusing for me: perhaps it's meant to be?). I halted this type of discussion and told him I couldn't make him visit, and I wasn't going to try to cajole him. But if he backed out on our agreement I'd be disappointed. The very agreement itself was meant to be something we both agreed to gladly. I left him to think about it and let me know.

To my joy, he came, for six of the seven original days planned. We had a good time and I felt hope for us and our future. I felt maybe he could spend time with me on his terms, and that I could see him less but know he wanted to see me.

However, our brief foray into healthier relating seems to have been just that - brief. Since we moved here almost four months ago things have gotten even more pinched. These days he literally pretends he doesn't understand what I'm saying when I make an overture. "I'd like you to come over for dinner sometime this week," I say, bravely (since I am rejected about 80% of the time and it has been harder and harder to ask). "Why?" he says. Even if he assents, he never just says, "Yeah, cool". He doles out 2 hour increments of time. He does not agree to any less formal or structured (or brief) hang-out. He does not agree to babysit my children for even one hour. He does not seek me out or invite me to anything. ANYTHING. He does not, as far as I can tell, have any use for me.

I am fine with him living his own life. I am not fine with how many times I've asked for his company and he has not even done me the respect of saying outright "yes" or "no"... he hems and haws and puts me off. Sometimes he literally doesn't even respond with a verbal answer (my dad does this too; it angers me to write about it). My brother has always been "wanted" by me, by my mom, and by many of his friends. He may have felt, in our past, that I had some psychic upper hand as I was the bigger and stronger (psychically) for years. But the way I see it he has had more power than me for quite some time: this "wanting" has allowed him to pick and choose everything about when we see him and if. When I think that perhaps he developed this aloofness (selfishness?) in response to our childhood relationship my skin crawls: surely my adult relationship with him will not be held hostage to real or imagined suffering he went through? I can think of no other explanation for his behavior, though, and especially in light of how close we used to be.

Last weekend friends of ours were here for a visit. I did not know they were coming (they were more his friends than mine, but I spent lots of time with them). My family and I were over at my parents' mowing their lawn. When I saw my old friends my heart just cried out: I wanted nothing more than a brief couple hours away from my family just to be around them. I got my guts up and called my brother (who lives upstairs in my parents' house, and has for his whole life lived with them so far). I asked if I could hang out with them for a while. He didn't answer, he said, "Ummmmmm..." [awkward pause]. I finally said, "OK, you'd rather not?" and he said, "Yeah." P.S. he always answers with this, "Oh how awkward and sad I have to hurt your feelings" tone that just fucking bothers me. I said, "OK, talk to you later!" and hung up.

I think that was the last straw (of many incidents). I want to cry thinking about this (incidentally I did cry out on the deck by the fire that night; my husband caught me crying, thought it was about him, and snapped at me! "That's it, kids. We're going home," that sort of thing. Needless to say I haven't felt like sharing much with him although he knows the bare bones of what I'm relating here). Here's my question: if my brother knew how much this hurt my feelings would he have done anything different? I have told him in no uncertain terms what I want. How many times is it my responsibility to remind him?

I have decided I've had enough; it's too painful. By all his actions, he doesn't want me, doesn't want a relationship (or at least not one that isn't convenient for him), doesn't love me. His words and his actions say, "I don't want time with you." OK. He's got it.

I don't know what else to do besides that. I don't know how much to tell him. I removed him from my IM list (so I won't see him and be tempted to write). I know I will have no trouble being around him at my parents'. I know when I see him I will be emotionally closed-off. I hate being that person; but I don't know what other choice I have that will allow me to keep my self-respect and hold him as an ABLE adult - in other words, I'm only closed-off now but I gave him many, many chances.

My life is now easier without this longing, but I am sad. I am so unbelievably sad (and I cry as I write this). Every day I am reminded of him. I listen to my iPod on the bus and think, "I'll put this on his next mix CD!" I finish a book and think of getting him a copy. I plan something nice to cook and impulsively want to invite him over.

For anyone who's read this far, thank you. This is really about me wanting to write it out: but I am also hurt and confused and wouldn't mind talking about it, either.

I don't want to be told I'm not doing something perfectly. I don't want to be told I'm right or wrong. I want to be told I'm *not crazy* for breaking up a relationship that, when it comes down to, is so hard to pin down the dysfunction. I want to be respected for doing something self-respecting. I want to be consoled (not necessarily verbally, and not necessarily here) for grief over what I've treasured and loved for thirty years - my brother and my closeness. Yeah, something about this closeness must have been seriously fucked-up or one-sided in some way (although I think he will miss me and my family when we withdraw) but it was real, so real for me. And I know it *could* have evolved; I don't know if it will.

Now is apparently not the time for us and words can't express how sad and lonely this makes me. I am also angry at him and very hurt - a part of me never wants to see him again. Mostly I am just sad, sad, sad.

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Kelly: I can't put into

Kelly: I can't put into words how this makes me feel, but it makes me sad, for you and that things have gotten this bad with your brother, I just want to give you a shout out and send you some vibes for strength. I hope that for his sake he can grown up and realize what he is missing out on. HUGS
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Your hope is my hope.

Thank you so much for your support. You don't "know" me and I know this is very personal to air in front of those I don't know well; I appreciate every one who has taken the time to write out supportive comments.

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thank you for sharing

Your brother is really fortunate to have such a loving sister..

I totally cosign your breakup, or taking time out to see other siblings (for a while)..
It's better not to let the bitterness fester and swell and go all to hell like a raisin in the sun.

Life is long and families are forever. You can come back to it later. I think you are doing the loving thing for all of you right now.

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Your response brought tears to my eyes...

Thanks. "Festering" is right - I don't want it to get to that place either.

I did write my sister, best friend, and husband about this. I know they will be the right type of support for me.

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Your not crazy

You just need a little space to protect your heart.
Your bro is being an asshole. The source isn't you, he must be going through something but it really sucks that he is treating you like that.
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"he must be going through something" -

He is. He's moving out of the parental home for the first time ever. He's leaving the job he's had about nine years and trying to find one in the city. He's overworking and stressed. No matter what part of it (if any) is about me, I know he has more on his plate than he's ever had in his life.

Ironically, my choice will probably help me offer him more genuine support. I'll probably write him a genuine card and one or two sentences referencing the change in his life. It's not like I should have expected him to rely or depend on me during this time in his life. I just wish I'd done / said / corrected my expectations sooner so I wasn't as hurt as I am.

Thank you for your comments.

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You are not crazy

and your brother is not an asshole. He should have been mature enough to tell you that he no longer wanted to be your friend, but I know from my own experience just how difficult this is to do with family members. I went through the same thing except I was in the position of your brother and my brother was in your position.

I found it to be such a weight off my mind and soul to understand that I was under no obligation to be friends with my brother. I love him and look back on our childhood closeness with fondness, but as adults, we have very little in common and his constant visiting/calling/emailing and insistence that I be involved in his life was hard on me and made me avoid him. and that is ok, my feelings are valid. It was not ok for me not to be clear with my boundaries and the level of involvement I wanted from him in my life. It was not ok that your brother avoided you and all that. I may be projecting my feelings onto him, but he probably didn't want to hurt your feelings by outright telling you he didn't want to be close with you anymore. He will probably feel guilt that you now feel this way but more than that he will feel...relief. I know I did.

You and your brother will always be family and you'll always have your memories. But for now simply seeing each other at family events and being civil may be all you will get from him. No, you are not crazy to want more from your brother you love so much. Maybe at some point he will want to be friends again...but if not I urge you not to fixate on him or demonize him because of this. His love for you is still there, he just cannot give to you of himself the level of friendship you'd like.

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This response was interesting...

Thanks for taking the time.

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well, you're not crazy

i think it's very healthy, what you are doing. i've had to take a similar stance with my sisters, and like you mention here, what i use as a guide is my idea of what a peer-to-peer, friend relationship would look like. how many unreturned calls woudl i tolerate from a friend, how many blown off plans? i don't allow myself to always be the pursuer in other relationships, so why with them? well, that's easy, we're sisters, not friends, and it's a whole lot closer and more complicated. but you are so right, you can't have an adult relationship with someone who is still playing out sleights from childhood. or whatever he is doing. he's giving you a clear message. maybe one day he will explain it all to you.

so, i'm sorry.

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Thanks for the support.

I really do look forward to one day understanding why he's being who he's being right now - if I ever get that opportunity to understand. I know that I went through a troubled period of my life before and damaged friendships during this time - it was inadvertent.

I know it's a healthy move on my part, even though I'm hurting. I know I am changing my attitude and my actions and not a moment too late - before it becomes toxic backlog.

Did the stuff between your sisters and you ever resolve?

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depends how you define resolve

we are not close. one sister pretty much said directly that she feels that i "owe" her that effort of which you speak. returning calls, remembering birthdays, etc, in keeping with some weird score keeping thing she has going on, relating to our past relationship... hello... as children... another is simply smarting from my setting boundaries and won't talk to me at all, but will never say out loud that this is what she is doing. i imagine this will pass when she gets some distance herself. another sister is happy to be dealing with someone who sees the relationship as mutual, not some kind of payback or banking good deeds... it can all get so fucked up when you deal with family.

additionally, we are an alcoholic family, which has its pretty clearly defined roles. it's depressing how typical and textbook we all are. that last sister, she is the only one younger than i, which comes into that whole dynamic. punkmama has the term... some kind of triad. one is a victim, one the martyr, one the peace keeper... i think that's how it goes.

anyway, what i mean is, i feel like it resolved, because i am setting the terms on which i will have relationships with them. i don't want to change them, i'm no longer mad at them for being all weird with me, but it's a disappointing realization that i can't really be close to them without all the baggage. but that's also freeing, because i spend so much less time thinking about them and when i do, i can think of them as autonomous adults, accountable to me for what they say and do, and vice versa. which is what i wanted, so it's all good.

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your last paragraph pretty much sums up

how I'm feeling. It's painful, but feels real and healthy. Oh, P.S.! This is hard because I recently moved and "lost" a lot of the day-to-day friendships I had. Oh P.S. it's also hard because my dad is very ill and that messes with me in lots of ways.

Ah, the defined roles of an alcoholic family... I remember in school being forced to watch this Afterschool Special(ish) movie with Martin Sheen as the alcoholic daddy. All the kids were, you know "Overachiever" or "Peacekeeper" or whatever. The son was the "Lost Child" and he had two horses, one named "Scotch" and the other "Soda".

The movie was simultaneously corny, oddly true-to-life, and painful to watch for it's over-the-top schmaltz.

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oh my

i can't recall if i have seen that, but i love the horses' names. i must have been "the lost child," although i never felt like it.

you know it also helps me to remember that these "roles" are pretty much part of every family, if not the same roles, the fact that there are roles and as long as you stay in yours, you will have relative peace. but we also resent the role thing, so i suspect that my sisters wanted to break out of theirs as much as i wanted to break out of mine. it's just hard to get used to family behaving differently. it all got clearer when i went to a family funeral about a year ago. this family, i was separated from for a good many years, but still knew who everyone was. this made me a good candidate to listen to everyone's shit. the sisters and brothers and cousins of the deceased spoke to me about how their sisters brothers and cousins just won't stop doing X, and how the sisters, brothers and cousins just can't accept that they no longer act like Y, and how frustrating and alienating it is. but it was the same story from all of them. they all were doing the best they could, and thought it was everyone else who were resisting. which, as we all know, is an impossibility. so, that's that. whatever that is. so, i am guessing that your brother will be grateful, and you can set your new relationship when the dust settles.

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oh kelly, you are not crazy

I really respect your decision here, it wasn't easy and it isn't happy, but it was the best thing for you. I have caught wind of the one-sidedness of your relationship with your brother in previous posts and my heart has always gone out to you. I have similar relationships with much (if not most) of my family, and severing ties is tough. I never had the balls to say, no, I will not do this any more, but instead have let my relationships with my foo wither and die, feeling awful and guilty and deeply hurt the entire time. You've made an effort, several in fact, and right now, at this point in time, a friendship with your brother is too much of a drain for you to keep trying.

I think you will want to talk to Ralph about this, once you feel comfortable with the prospect, because feeling hurt and pain will change he way you relate to everyone for a little while and he deserves to understand how not about him it is.

I have no advice about what you are going through, totally uncharted territory for me, but I think you should allow for the possibility that things will evolve in time without your continuing input and effort - one's mid 20's, early 30's are tough, kids or none - I am seeing many of my friendships dissolve and some evolve. It sucks, I hate change, but the freedom from the pains of constantly trying to pursue or feeling like the one putting in "all" the effort have made the pain, if not more bearable, at least worthwhile. (I guess I did have some advice after all).

In closing, can I say I think your brother was a world-class jerk re: your old friends. Seriously, I want to slap him.

here we go again

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Thank you for your genuine support.

You are very wise about Ralph. About a half hour ago I sent him this text and he and I discussed it for about ten minutes. You are correct that I should not plan to withhold this kind of hurt (or any kind of hurt). He had insight and support to offer, so that's good.

"I think you should allow for the possibility that things will evolve in time without your continuing input and effort - one's mid 20's, early 30's are tough, kids or none - I am seeing many of my friendships dissolve and some evolve. It sucks, I hate change, but the freedom from the pains of constantly trying to pursue or feeling like the one putting in "all" the effort have made the pain, if not more bearable, at least worthwhile. (I guess I did have some advice after all)."

This is more wisdom as well. It would do many people poised on "breakups" to think about how difficult these times in our lives can be. That's why I'm not burning any bridges, speaking out in anger, or really deciding much of anything but to withdraw because I can't take it any more. Hopefully I can heal and mellow out a bit so that when (if) our relationship survives, evolves, and gains closeness, nothing I have done or said today will get in the way.

And besides what you allude to, I know my brother is going through a major change - he is moving out of the parental home for the first time in his life, at the end of this month. I'd hoped to see him off and help him move. I will have to send him a card and give a wave instead.

Thanks for your input.

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sweet kelly

I am sorry.

You are not crazy.

(((hugs)))

I am shedding a tear for you.

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I knew you might relate...

thanks for weighing in.

When you get a chance please do post an update. I've been thinking about you.

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there has been alot of brother

material in my world the past couple of weeks, as you might imagine. Your insights over the past few months on this topic have helped me navigate them more easily. I hope I can support you as you navigate your own different brother journey, on the board or in PM's. Hang in there.

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I have been "imagining"

because I also think about my father's health and our family's future there, and I know you and I could relate on the brother stuff. I've felt our support and kinship on these issues even though, you know, we barely know one another!

"Hang in there" yourself, eh? And thanks.

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"hang in there"

is totally something my dad would say.

*smile thru tears*

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Hi Kelly,

I just wanted to say that I am sorry that you're so sad in your heart. It is hard to lose someone who you love so deeply, even if its just temporarily.

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Thanks.

I really appreciate those who took the time to read and respond supportively. It means a lot.

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maybe your brother doesn't

maybe your brother doesn't like you. Loves you yes, but finds you boring. Maybe hes just a sociopath. BUT no where in here does it indicate that you have expressed as much emotion, loss and brokenheartedness into him as you have into us. I don't have time to read everybodys responses, but if I were you, I would go oevr there, tell his prick ass to sit down, yes call him that even and open up this page angrily and say, "Read" and if hes apathtic to your emotion, anger, passion be meaner. Then force him to read it, remind him that he only has one sister, and in this cruel cold materialistic world where most people are out to only get what they can and most people don't even know the true meaning of friendship- he is foolishly squandering one of the only people that genuinely gives a fuck wether he is happy or whats going on his life. That you have to reach out to complete strangers and it tares you up on more than some nagging level than he knows about. And if you-Billy are that cold hearted and that stupid to let this realshionship go, or continuely hurt a person that loves you so much, you indeed are a moron and will one day regret this and come crawling back, to where you will be waiting with open arms, but still very very hurt.

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As always you make me laugh...

and you have ballsy advice. Which I'm far too cowardly to take you up on.

I have expressed my emotions and feelings to him, for sure. I am chewing over your response but thank you so much for weighing in. You have a real way with you! Smile

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you're not crazy sweetie

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You're so not crazy

but maybe he is. I worry that, from what you said, he has some strong personal issues that can't be divulged. Maybe he is depressed or horribly guilty about something that he doesn't want you to know.
Maybe he is gay and doesn't want to come out of the closet.
I have 4 (albeit older) brothers, and I have divorced 2 of them over the years (now we speak, but its not close anywhere near how it once was). I'm surprised that you lasted into your 30's if he's been doing this for a long time.
So sorry for your hurt, it really is a valid hurt, and I admire your strength.
Thanks for sharing.

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My brother has struggled with some form of depression

and it is similar to my dad's (mini-)depression, or at least it seems to be. Oddly the same "malady" does not seem to affect my mom or I. It's a way my father and brother are similar, and their expression (rudeness, whatever you'd call it) is also similar.

Thank you for the validation and comments. Reading what so many have written here has been very helpful. I feel kind of embarrassed, you know? I mean how often do you get to tell everyone, "Hey, someone doesn't love me!" It isn't that he doesn't love me - I'm sure he does. Rejection is hard for me to talk about, that's all.

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yeah, its a hard topic for sure

but sadly depression effects alot more people than we think. I read somewhere that something like 75% of men are suffering from depression, but only about 30% of them get diagnosed because the others won't talk about it or seek help. Women are much more likely to go for help, and are conversely overdiagnosed.
I really feel this, because many of my relationships (the aforementioned ones with my bros, and one with my best-life-long friend) were ruined because of thier selfish, self centered behaviours that I later identified as classic symptoms of depression (especially as they went on doing that to other people).
then again, it takes much too much time to try diagnosing and excusing other peoples behaviours, so lets just let it be as: We have boundaries and self love and self respect, if you can't hang then push off.
Good luck with your new path.
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you're not crazy

i'm running out the door from work, so i haven't read everyone else's posts, but i'm sure they said good things. i just wanted to say that i totally get that space 'cuz i'm in it with my ex-gf. we were friends before and after our longterm relationship. since she moved out here and got her third wife, though, she has totally done that whole unavailable/martyred thing with me. in january, when she stood me up AGAIN, and then swooped in for five minutes, i decided i was done pursuing. it still breaks my heart, though. like you with your brother, i'm reminded by all of the things we once shared, but no longer do. i ran into her after my first post-partum concert last week {i knew i would 'cuz it's both of our favorite band}. she was all, "you never call", and i was like, "well, neither do you." bleh. i don't know if this is helpful, but it's a longwinded way of saying that you are not only not crazy, but i totally empathize.

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