FOO ("family of origin") rant. [ warning - LONG! ]

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"saying yes and meaning no."

Well, Day #3 of camping out at the 'rents and my fears, which I have nursed since over three years ago when I quit my job and we briefly considered staying here, fears I most recently mentioned about three weeks ago, are starting to come true.

I'm not sure how I could have possibly been clearer, more circumspect, and more open-minded in requesting use of half my parents' upstairs *IF* we ended up "camping" here (God forbid, and apparently He did not). This request of mine involves, primarily, a cleanout of many of my brother's things (in a space he isn't renting, but is using) and a few items of my 'rents. I am the nervous, hyper-organized type so I asked three weeks ago very specifically and got the OK from my parents. On Friday when the shit hit the fan on the new place I offered my parents rent and expressly said it was to secure the space - to make it a formality. They refused rent but agreed, again (my FOO is not big on formalities or keeping agreements, as you will see). I told my brother on Friday that it looked like our staying here might be necessary, for a bit. I told him I was sorry it was even going this way, but we were trying to make the best of it. I also told him I wouldn't bother him a bit about moving his stuff until after his girlfriend (visiting) left - today. And, finally, that Ralph and I were happy to help relocate his things when the time came.

So here I am, chomping at the bit that I have none of my things around me, I don't have my husband, I don't have a nest to entertain my children with their toys and their space, and I don't have a retreat for privacy other than a barely-furnished guest room with a few of my clothes. Until I can set up camp, I am stuck either infrigning my children on my family, downstairs, or confining them to a guest room, upstairs, with little or nothing for them to do besides watch movies. I hate these two options.

So I am looking forward to cleaning my corner and setting up a space. I have decided I "need" that to happen. It is the ONE THING I am looking forward to (besides Ralph's job, which I am anticipating he will love). My "job", which is my home and the running thereof, was taken from me. I have this shaky ground: a place, a temporary one. So tonight, after dinner (which I cooked) I asked my brother about the move-out of his stuff. He said he could get it out. He was reticent. I asked when. He said, "after next weekend", with a tone that implied if I was lucky.

I have everything we own in a big moving truck outside. That moving truck is due back tomorrow and everything has to go somewhere. After everything else, after the house falling through and not another place yet, after worrying over my husband doing the work packing and moving and driving (he got here tonight; he's fine), after feeling strongly I didn't want to be in the position of living here and having my kids for several days while house-hunting and trying my best not to worry too much, after the shit-sandwich knowing we'd have to now move our stuff twice, and rent storage besides - it was too much. "Stunned and dismayed" about covers it. But all I said to my brother was, "I thought we discussed this eventuality three weeks ago, and over the last couple days." He was like grunt, grunt - the typical response from he or my father.

I had to leave, come upstairs, and cry.

This story is not about my brother. It's not about my parents. It's not about moving going horridly wrong (still). It's not about my FOO's tendency to pack-rat, which I live in total fear of and reaction to by having a rather sparse home and feeling inexplicable terror at having it inch into my life, here and now. It's not even a story regarding my intense desire for space and occasional privacy. And it's only partially a story about my FOO's method of communication - non-communication.

This story is about being heard.

Who am I? Do I matter? Does the fact that I'm here, sharing space, mean I don't get to be listened to? How much more straight-forward and direct-dealing do I have to be?

Or do they think I'm a hinter? That I don't say exactly what I mean? A passive-aggressive type? What do they know of me? In what way do I not ask for what I want? What happens when people say "No" to me? Do I retreat, hate them, emotionally distance myself? Or do I move on and find another plan?

Do they think I'm the type to make idle, half-assed plans? How do they think I live out my life as a stay-at-home Mom? By floating with the tide and hoping for the best?

My friend charitably points out "this is about them", and not me, or their vision of me. But the exact scenario I'd hoped to avoid - the scenario where I would be vulnerable and need direct, honest communication, mean that in whatever way it is about "them", it is also now, necessarily, about "me". Not to mention my family, who I am responsible for.

My only explanation for what is happening, with my FOO's distinctive brand of non-communication and "yes means no" and not saying what they mean - for what may very well continue to happen as long as I'm here - is that their idea of me, or their idea of what they want (which they aren't willing to tell me straight-out, apparently), is more important than who I actually am and what I actually want. It is OK to inconvenience or hurt me because I am some cartoon caricature and I don't really care about the things that I'm telling you I care about.

Diary, dear sweet blog, I only write this because there's nowhere else for it to go. I write here because I want to move on and just live out my time here however long, with as much mental and emotional peace as I can find. I don't want to be angry at them, to hold up hurts and bite them down. I have found those hurts don't go away. But in this case, we can see where directness got me. Now all I can be is direct to you, dear blog, and move my scope to coping as best I can, and take care of my children as best I can.

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This is so sad, kelly

I'm so bitter for you right now. There are so many ways this sucks.

First, I notice that you keep feeling the need to point out that your SAHM job has been taken from you and that you take it seriously. You probably keep pointing this out because everybody else in society and your FOO, seemingly, acts as though SAHM-ing is a peripheral gig that can be accomplished in the most mean and meager of circumstances. That's incredibly insulting.

Second. You keep pointing out that you're the nervous, hyper-organized type , in this blog and others, which indicates to me that you're either seen by the fam as a flake or as a caricature as you put it of an uptight worrier and thus not taken too seriously. That is so incredible to me. A lot would change in the world if people would just trust that eachother's realities are real. People always discount the other guy's perception. "It doesn't seem like a big deal when I move my stuff to ME, so how can it seem important to anybody else?"

Finally: Respect. This is just one more heartbreaking example of disrespect. I've talked on here before about how I'm scared to take up too much room, and people always lament with me about how I'm shy like that. CRAZY! More people need to be like that. We all need to try to get out of other's way MORE. Not assert ourselves up in people's grill more. This goes double for men like your brother. Does he have a home? Then why's his stuff at your parents' place anyways? You nailed it when you said you weren't being heard. My advice on this front would be to give it another chance and voice how important this is to you and that you'd love to help bro move his stuff out of your way (if you would). You might go on a mini rant if that would help. Or bring up what you'd do for him if your shoes were on eachother's feet.

I think there's just this leftover culture in America that people who end up in your situation have done something half-assed or improper. If the economy continues in this vein for another few years, people will start to wisen up, but of course we'll all be too ground under to care about moving anybody's stuff. Sad

I see shades of the hippie-farm-daycare debaucle in this blog as well. Weren't your family a bunch of hippies? Could they be just zoned into their own lives to the point that they aren't hearing your needs? Like it's not some passive aggressive plan to hurt you but rather extreme selfishness? It sounds to me like there could be some kind of situation where your parents are thinking "We're letting them live here rent free. What else could they want from us?" and then backing off into their own thing. Then Brother comes up and starts doing his part of the dance he occasionally does with you where he seems uncaring and then you play the role of the hurt sister who feels ignored. Then parents check back into the scene, see the repetition of an age old pattern, roll their eyes and go back to whatever they enjoy doing more than worrying about how their parenting screwed up your relationship with Bro. I don't know, I'm just cobbling up pieces from all the blogs of yours I remember, but am I anywhere close? I don't have any advice for this scenario, except what you're obviously already doing, looking for your own damn space. It is about them, but yes, it's affecting you.

On being direct: This is how I become an Eeyore with people. I try directly and honestly dealing with shit. Then people would blow it off out of their own laziness. What can you do with that? Tell someone to not be who they are? So I got adept at seeing when someone/a group was going to brush me off and just take the smallest step towards the group, assess it as shitty, and move on without making much of an effort to find an equitable compromise with them because it is simply that hurtful for people to be so rejecting and so obviously not respectful to the point of insultingly lazy.

I don't know if I'm in the right ballpark with some of this, but I really hope you can just find a fucking place already. It is insane the way everyone in this situation has been so lazy and entitled. Honest to pete.

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733t sewz0r
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Once again, rather insightful.

#1. " [ snip ] acts as though SAHM-ing is a peripheral gig that can be accomplished in the most mean and meager of circumstances. That's incredibly insulting."

Insulting ... or maybe a compliment? I mean, I guess they're assuming what I do I can do without effort or "props" or a home or ...? No, you're right, it's insulting. Assholes.

No one really blows me off with regards to SAHM-hood. My family is the first to say it's a great thing for the family. But they don't think it through. For me, moving to a new town and suddenly NOT having a house is like my husband going to his job and being told, "Guess what? You don't get a paycheck" or something equally catastrophic (temporary, yes - but the pressure to find a new place that works for us is HUGE! and daunting.). And yes, no one seems to think it's a big deal I don't have a house, or a space. If my husband suffered a setback at his job EVERYONE would give eighteen kinds of shits.

#2 "You keep pointing out that you're the nervous, hyper-organized type , in this blog and others, which indicates to me that you're either seen by the fam as a flake or as a caricature as you put it of an uptight worrier and thus not taken too seriously."

I don't get HOW they see me. I know I used to be told I was "selfish". I know I advocate for myself more directly than they do. But I also know I care deeply about their experience and want us all to be satisfied. Besides, I can't imagine anything more self-LESS than simply desiring to run my household in peace for myself, my husband, and OUR CHILDREN, in addition to not being a hindrance to my family.

#3 "Finally: Respect. This is just one more heartbreaking example of disrespect. I've talked on here before about how I'm scared to take up too much room, and people always lament with me about how I'm shy like that. CRAZY! More people need to be like that. We all need to try to get out of other's way MORE. Not assert ourselves up in people's grill more."

Right. In a weird way my mom is quite deferential - she wants everyone to "be happy". As long as they don't directly ask for something and ask for concrete commitments. My family is NOT into commitment. So weird to think of it that way. They commit to JOBS, but not to agreements with one another. Everything is vaguely understood, fluid, shifty. It's a good realization for me to have, but a painful one.

"This goes double for men like your brother. Does he have a home? Then why's his stuff at your parents' place anyways?"

He rents from them, an upstairs wing, for like $250 / month. This includes no utilities, my parents' laundry, and half the time, meals from my mom. Plus rides to and fro wherever because he refuses to insure his car (a gift to him from our aunt). I am just NOT going to compare what he gets from them vs. what I get. There's no point, and it would piss me off.

Tangentially: you know what else is hard? I love my brother in a deep, devoted, puppy-like way. When I type it all out here and realize how selfish HE is, my mind and heart want to pretend it isn't so, so I can keep loving him. SICK, SICK, SICK! Another can of worms. Another blog post, another time.

"I see shades of the hippie-farm-daycare debaucle in this blog as well. Weren't your family a bunch of hippies? Could they be just zoned into their own lives to the point that they aren't hearing your needs? Like it's not some passive aggressive plan to hurt you but rather extreme selfishness?"

I think it is. Weird *I* am the one with the "selfish" label. Ugh. Blarf.

"I don't have any advice for this scenario, except what you're obviously already doing, looking for your own damn space. It is about them, but yes, it's affecting you."

Yes, exactly. The sooner I find our own space, the better.

"On being direct: This is how I become an Eeyore with people. I try directly and honestly dealing with shit. Then people would blow it off out of their own laziness. What can you do with that? Tell someone to not be who they are? So I got adept at seeing when someone/a group was going to brush me off and just take the smallest step towards the group, assess it as shitty, and move on without making much of an effort to find an equitable compromise with them because it is simply that hurtful for people to be so rejecting and so obviously not respectful to the point of insultingly lazy."

I will have to think on this. I would like to know more. Because the picture you're painting is one of self-reliance. But I know I have complained about "Eeyores" before so I'd like to know how that ties in!

My trouble is I'm direct, flexible, and innovative which has for the most part resulted in me having things my way. Doesn't mean I *get* my way! But when I don't, when I get flummoxed, I just move on to another solution. Maybe I should color myself "flummoxed" w/regards to my family, and not expect I can explain or ask for what I want. The experiment has failed, eh? This is a lightbulb moment as I type this, but obviously a sad realization and leaves me in a quandry as to where to focus my energy.

Thanks for your kind, smart, and very insightful words. It really helps for me to talk, to listen to feedback, to process. Yeah, I'm an over-processor, but it works for me.

Really, thanks!

""but aside form those 2 things, everyday is 'steak and blowjob day' ummmm....minus the steak and blowjobs."

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fuck.

I'm so sorry. This SUCKS.
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I am so sorry you are going

I am so sorry you are going through this. Hopefully you are just paying your dues for a wonderful happy future in the great place that's just not quite ready for you yet...
You will get through this! I'm sending you vibes...

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ack.

Kelly. Velma had some great insights and I am not sure I can add anything but I wanted to say I get the irony of being labeled the "selfish" one in the family and I have the very same brother you do, with the very same puppy-ish devotion, which over the past 10 years is slowly fading as I gain a clearer and clearer picture of who he is. Meanwhile your way of planning ahead for everyone's benefit, the most thoughtful, clearheaded, thorough approach to a problem is not rewarded well. Blech. I am sorry.

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"I have the very same brother you do,

with the very same puppy-ish devotion, which over the past 10 years is slowly fading as I gain a clearer and clearer picture of who he is."

Yeah. Man! This is a very painful thing. Not least of which is I don't think I can talk to him about it, you know? I think he'd be fine with us just not having a relationship.

Last night my brother did clean out the upstairs room. About 90%, not all the way. The thing is, I'm glad I didn't make a scene or cry in front of him or anything. He just manned up and did the decen thing. Again, only 90%.

""but aside form those 2 things, everyday is 'steak and blowjob day' ummmm....minus the steak and blowjobs."

Monarda
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I would feel the very same way..

relieved that I didn't make a scene or cry or anything. But oh, yeah, gotta leave that 10% reminder that he is who he is.

This is another thread of course but I feel your pain. The disappointment that i have about my brother and our relationship is a constant grief in my life. Much of that disappointment is his complete lack of interest in the relationship. Except very occasionally, when he becomes the brother I adore, (like, once every 2 years), and then I have to detox my brain from all the unrealistic shit that this generates in me. I am only now coming to the point where it is not heartbreaking, it's just sad.

At least he did the 90% so you can try to create some temporary space. Hang in there.

733t sewz0r
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Wow. Can we form a support group?

SoBtaA ("Sisters of Brothers that are Assholes"). I'll bet you and I completely relate on some stuff. It's nice I'm not the only one.

""but aside form those 2 things, everyday is 'steak and blowjob day' ummmm....minus the steak and blowjobs."

Monarda
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I really want to start a thread about it

the energy it would require may not be available to me right now but it is on the list. I'd love to blog it out some more w/ you and others. I remember you posted about this brother a long time ago and that post struck me then as this one did now.. so I think you're right we have some notes to compare.

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god this makes me sad.

i am SO sorry that you are going through this. i don't know what to say! i really wish we lived closer- i would put you guys up in a heartbeat and give you all the space you wanted! i really hope that all of this starts to look better- this stress is too much. too much!!!!!!!!!! i am glad to read that your bro cleaned 90% out- that's a start and should help things for you. families suck sometimes.
BIG HUGE HUGS for you (oh, and some bosom warmth).

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