Does anyone else think it's strange...
...that voters had no problem electing enough Democrats to completely control the entire U.S. Congress, that multiple states with long Republican histories have now elected Democratic governors (in some cases, for the first time in decades), that voters in several states have also given Democrats power in their state Congresses, and that voters in South Dakota slammed that fucking abortion ban bullshit...
BUT...
gay marriage bans passed in EIGHT states?!?! I can't even begin to express how wrong I think this kind of legislation is.
There is something seriously wrong with this picture.
EDIT: The more that I think about the entire issue, the more PISSED OFF I am about it. Basically, IMO, these bans are blatant, flagrant, transparent, UNCONSTITUTIONAL acts of discrimination. Why do people think this is okay? Why is this not recognized as a civil rights battle? Why is homophobic rhetoric still acceptable practice in our country? The right of a person to marry someone else does not infringe on the rights of another person. PERIOD.
The rightwing rhetoric that tries to say that gay marriage will decimate "marriage" or "family" in our country is nothing more than HOMOPHOBIA. Get a grip, people. If you want to talk about family, let's talk about a living wage. Let's talk about extended paid maternity leave. Let's talk about child-friendly spaces. Let's talking about public support of breastfeeding. Let's talk about health services and the environment and the chemicals that we ingest daily from pesticides and the growth hormones that are injected into our animals.
I realize that I am probably preaching to the choir here but I just don't GET IT.
"only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state and that a legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized in this state"
If you didn't do your research and are in a public voting place with a squirmy kid...that could be mistaken. I had to read through it 3 times to make sure I was voting the right way because I was afraid to checking the wrong one.
and it's just plain mean-spiritedness to boot, just evil feelings against people who are different. and really, if they thought about it they would realize that gay folks aren't so different after all...I can't think of any single sexual act that gay people do that straight people don't do with each other, have mercy. So why is it wrong for people of the same sex to do it, and under holy matrimony to boot?
I think I am just utterly confused as to why it is so threatening. Other then having a government that supports marriage as only hetero. People are sheep. They hear little catch phrases and get brainwashed, it is easier than thinking the issue out and coming to your own conclusion.
Same with medical/religion/politics/ad nauseum.
Left
Far left
Conservative
Fiscal Conservative
Middle of the road........
So, that said, just because you register as a Democrat, you still could be worlds apart on propostions, etc.. My state (CA) elected Arnold, but kept Feinstein, etc... (?)
I think this plays a big role in elections.
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I know it passed 80-20 here in Tennessee.
WTF? I can't understand why people are so against it.
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in this country. I have yet to hear or read any argument that makes sense to be against gay marriage.
Can anyone explain what this means when the anti-gay marriage folks say, We need to protect marriage? From what, exactly? Do they mean hetero people will stop getting married if gay people are allowed to?
even they don't have any idea what that means. Protect it from change I guess. Monopolize it. Sounds alot like white supremicists saying "We need to protect our heritage!" What heritage is that?
either. I have asked and asked folks like this to explain it to me, and they can't explain what that means. I did have one guy tell me that it protects young adults and teenagers from the temptation of 'going gay'. When I asked him what that means, he said that young boys may want to be gay because gay men dress and look better than straight men and that might make them want to be gay too. He actually said that.
96% of gay men chose that path because they like to look good. Having sex with a man is just something they feel they have to do in order to keep up appearances...
I think maybe logic classes need to be required in High School.
Insurance for "spouses" etc...Probably boils down to $ in a lot of cases. Insurance is big money.
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Health Insurance is big business and the least amount of people they have to "cover" is net revenue. I think any big business is more interested in net $$$, not so much "family values"
I think that is a guise to make/save $.
Am I the only one here who thinks this?
Nevertheless, sure, the Rebublicans and moderate/conservative Dems have the majority on religious voters too.
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Big Business funding Religious Right propaganda to pay for campaigns? Like lobbyist for tobacco companies?
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i don't think it is that big of a factor, IMO. In fact I think a lot of companies offer partner benefits to bring in more employees. I know here in Ohio, when it was on the ballot two years ago there were actually a lot of big corporations who were against it. They felt like it would diminish thier ability to recuriet the best employees from out of state. There were quite a few companies that weren't yet in Ohio that were saying this legisltation would be enough for them not to place branches here, as they didn't want to have current employees hurt by it.
There are still a lot of companies who opt to offer domestic partner benefits even though the law would support them if they didn't.
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lol
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hmmm then why are women gay???????
Jessica
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Jessica
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I obviously played that response too straight. Add *dripping with sarcasm*.
Damn, if that's the case, I wanna be a gay man too. Some of them do dress fly. And since I live in MA, maybe I'll just consider that change soon in case gay marriage becomes illegal again here someday....
People are out of control.
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yeah, and all lesbians look like porn stars. There are normal and unattractive looking gay men too.
If he is straight, and whacks off and thinks of straight interactions and is sexually attracted to the opposite sex primarily, does he HONESTLY think it's because of the legality of straight marriage?
Or, it seems like he doesn't. He thinks it's because he isn't exposed to many hot gay men. He better not come to South Beach! He'll be converted!!
Anyway, I think many people have a blanket general "It's not Biblical" line of argument, when they haven't put a lot of thought into it (which is likely, in my biased opinion.) However, polygamy is probably the most prevalent type of marriage in the bible. I have heard people who are against gay marriage say it may be a slippery slope to polygamy, but I believe following a Biblical framework of marriage is more likely to do that.
Sunflower the unflower
Sunflower the unflower
i mean, okay, yes, aside from the fact that polygamy as it exists in the world today is an expression of patriarchally supported ownership of women - exactly like monogamous marriage {which is a redundant phrase, btw - mono/gamy means single marriage, but i digress}.
but if the bible is the guidebook to life, and we shouldn't have queer marriage because of that passage in what? revelations? deuteronomy? {where it also says, btw, not to where polyblends and to be sure and regularly sacrifice livestock in the temple}, then shouldn't these bibliophiles be lining up for the kind of marriages that solomon and abraham and alla those guys had - plural?
just askin - rhetorically, anyway.
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"if i pass for other than what i am, do you feel safer?" ~ lani ka'ahumanu
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I just think it is a strange argument. The same people who argue homosexual marriage is against the bible argue that homosexual marriage leads us down the slippery slope to polygamy. Just shows the lack of cohesiveness in their thinking.
Sunflower the unflower
saying it was bad. i was just riffing on that remark. sorry if i was unclear about that.
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"Do they mean hetero people will stop getting married if gay people are allowed to"
It means that people will choose gay marriage over straight. Hmmmm, really I don't know what they're talking about either.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. If they want to protect hetero marrige, gay marraige is the least of their problems.
~ formerly Bodhi
Well, marriage, at it's core, in a patriarchy, is all about which man owns a woman's pussy. We can't have men owning each other's dicks, or women owning each other's pussies, now can we?
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I know the wording can be confusing on these things, but honestly, I really don't think that's why they passed. I think they passed because homophobia is still an accepted form of discrimination in our country, period. And I don't understand why this is so. I don't understand why enough people felt it was OKAY to deny individuals the right to marry simply because of their sexuality.