The great sugar debacle Part I

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For a little background, my son’s school is a charter school. It is also Montessori based as much as the state standards allow for freethinking in teaching. It is small; the entire student body for K-7 is usually about 65-70 kids. It is a co-op in which there is a decent amount of parent participation.
On the night of the first parent meeting at my son’s school, it was brought up that there is a hot lunch program. This program brings lunches to the school from McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Chinese fast food and KFC. This program also provides funding for the school in that we are charged a little over cost for the lunches. I stood up and asked if there was a way to offer healthy alternatives such as burritos or just about anything other than McDonalds. A veteran parent told me that the kids “love it� and that I should not bad mouth what has been going on at that school for several years. No one else said anything. So the message I got was that I ma alone in my dislike of this sort of food and it’s encouragement among children. I should be quiet, if I don’t like the program, do participate.
So I was quiet and I sent my son with a toy in his nutritious lunch on the days that they had McDonalds since he really wanted that cheap, plastic toy that comes in the “Happy “ meals. I had no real problem with that since, as much as I would like it to be otherwise, I cannot make pother people see the folly of their nutritional ways.
Now I have had issues with the snack that is served during class-time. In the Montessori method of instruction, snack is important. It allows a time for the kids to help each other and to practice manners. It gives the children a chance to learn about what is good for their bodies. Children set up snack and allow the other kids to serve themselves and others. They learn to prepare the snack and clean up afterwards, teaching coordination, dexterity, cleanliness, thought process and much more. So I thought the snacks should be nutritious as a rule. I went quietly through 2 years of some poor snack choices on the part of other parents, but this year, through Kindergarten, 1st and 2nd grade, I have seen donut holes, cupcakes, caramel popcorn, rice crispy treats, Capri-suns, those nasty little orange crackers with sugar coated peanut butter among other things that should not be snack, but treat. I also saw fresh fruit platters, homemade muffins and whole grain crackers and cream cheese. I have no problem with a cupcake on someone’s birthday. But as a snack?! For other kids? And how am I supposed to tell my kid that he cannot have that when the ENTIRE class is walking around talking about how good it is? It sure wasn’t easy.
I asked about it. I was told that I could bring it up at a parent meeting and see how others felt about the snacks coming in. I brought it up and handed out a paper I had written about nutrition. I am not writing off the cuff on nutrition, I have earned a 4.0 GPA in Organic Chemistry, Nutrition, Child, Infant, adolescent psychology and over 6 more psychology courses. I feel I know a good amount about nutrition and the overall effects it has on development and well-being. There were 2 other parents two agreed with me verbally at the meeting and know others did as well, having spoken with them individually at other times.
When I went to hand out the paper with the snack calendar, I had one parent say that she had no problem with what was coming in as snack. That she had not seen cookies or candy. She was very hostile towards me when she said this and very closed to discussion. She would not listen when I said I had seen caramel popcorn and Capri-suns, rice crispy treats and “fruit snacks� (those little things made by Brach’s that say “all natural� on the box and then have High Fructose Corn Syrup as the lead ingredient). I realise that is her problem that she has not seen these snack…
In my son’s class, there are 4 kids who bring their own snack, one parent who is debating sending snack with her 2 kids in the class and my child who is on the verge of just dropping their snacks altogether. So 7 kids out of 17 that will not be in the program. I also have spoken with 3 other parents who share my views on nutrition and it’s importance in the classroom. That brings it up to a definite majority, 10 out of 17 that I know of who have a problem with the currant rules about snack. And we are the ones dropping out of the program. So. I have been making the snack calendar and thought I would include a paper about why sugar sucks as a snack and ho we can change what our kids eat and why we should. I also made a big mistake. I got frustrated with the willful ignorance of some and put in the paper: “Therefore, we are going to impose a “sugar’ rule: ''no snacks that have sugar in the first three ingredients.’’ Oops. Not only did I use the royal plural, but I just made a rule with NO authority whatsoever. Big lapse of judgment. I truly regret doing that. Really, really regret it, but it is done and I suck.
So of course, there is a complaint, at least 2 complaints to the principle. Now she has to put out formal apology to any one who was offended that I cared enough about their kids and the other kids to try to keep them healthy. People were offended! That is so bizarre to me. Did they look at it and say, “What?! How can we ever be expected to feed our children something without sugar in it? Is she mad?! What a twit to think that she can tell me I am sending bad snacks. This is so wrong.�?
Today a note goes out in the weekly newsletter stating that the paper I wrote had nothing to do with L. Montessori policy and that the principal is sorry for those upset by it. Now I totally admit I screwed up by making it a rule. I should have said, �My family looks for food in which the first three ingredients are not sugar.� And left it at that. Like I said, it was a stupid thing to do. But to get upset by it is really weird. And for me to get pointed out (not by name, but really, who else could she be talking about?) as someone who was trying to impress upon others my “personal philosophy� (as per the newsletter) seems a bit harsh. It made me feel like a zealot trying to convert others to an odd cult of sugar-bashers. And, though I know she couldn’t say it, but it is the truth that those “upset� by this are in the vast minority. Like there are only 3 or 4 of them. They should be the ones dropping out of the snack program.
So I wrote a note tot he principal saying basically everything said here, except much more diplomatically, and we will see where it goes from there…

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But I guess the problem I

But I guess the problem I have with it is that it is no longer a personal choice when you are making a snack for 17 kids. Sure we can drop out, but the majority agree with me in that sugar coated snacks should not be the norm. It is also not the same as no brand name clothing because it has a physical effect on the kids. They are pumped with sigar and then get in trouble for having too much energy, it disrupts the learning possibilities.
Tell me more about why it would be offensive to you. I can't speak rationally witht he woman who was offended, but I can with you!

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You live in the granola

You live in the granola state and you are having so many problems with this program. This is weird. Here is a program I saw on the news although you have probably already seen it.

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Thank you!

That article is perfect for what I want to say to these people. For some reason, when the author of something is not known to a person, they tend to take it more seriously. Why is that? I realise it is an ad for thier product, but it makes some valid points...
I may live in the granola state, but I live in the ignorance capitol of that state. Seriously, I have experience more ignorant/stupid remrks here than I did when I spent summers in West-by-God-Virginia....

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Like you said

Snack is about more than nutrition. If it were me, I'd err on the side of eating sugar. Its abouy sharing and communty too. If we eat well at home everyday, a few boarderline snacks every dozen days is not going to ruin my child's eating habits. (That's up to him when he's 17.) Seriously, I don't believe that kids are like sharks - once they taste sugar, they can't be stopped. I think kids usually end up valuing what their folks do.

Though I'm an ominivore there are lots of things that I don't particularly like / think are healthy / want to eat. But I made a conscious decision a few years ago to eat anything offered to me as an act of graciously accepting hospitality. It means a lot to people who make the okra curry / roasted guinea pig (seriously) / or slightly mouldy angelfood cake covered in cool whip that I eat what they offer (even if it is just a bite or two).

Even hospitality, I suppose, must be taken in moderation. (I'm still not going for eggplant) All kind of things in balance, right?

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I fully agree with this.

I fully agree with this. That is why I have kept him in the program for so long, but the sugary/useless snacks are 3-4 times a week. So he is no onger eating well every day, just on the weekends. I work so stinkin hard to learn how to properly feed my kids and it really sucks to have someone else come in and so easily throw sugar, hydrogenated oils and crap at them. I just get frustrated....

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Wow

All I can say is, wow. Things to look forward to in the next couple years. I can not believe that these people are ok with sugar being an alright snack in this day and age! and efing Mac Donalds? WTF?

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Weird...I understand

Weird...I understand complaining because your child is being fed something that has been proven to cause tons of physiological and psychological problems, but to go and complain that your child SHOULD be able to eat those things, and SHOULD be able to bring them to school for the other kids to eat is weird to me.
These parents obviously aren't getting paid by the sugar factory to advocate for these snacks, so what is going on here? I can see two things, maybe...
1) These parents don't want to be reminded that they're feeding their kids bad shit. It took a long time for them to get over their guilt about it already, their kids smile when they get cupcakes and other sugary stuff for snacks, and they want to feel that they are in the majority, so everything is okay.
2)Something must make it easier to feed this crap to their kids, and as sugar is super-preservative extraordinare, what I'm thinking is that they can stockpile snacks, cause they've got busy schedules, and so that way they don't have to think about it when it's snack day? Those orange crackers and capri sun can sit on a shelf for quite a while, and they require no work at all. Maybe these parents don't know how to make anything much healthier for their kids...you'd be surprised at how many people have difficulty with box dinners. Perhaps they don't need so much education about how bad sugar is for their kids, but they need some education on what IS healthy, and some relatively EASY healthy foods to make. I dunno...just a sug.

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"but to go and complain that

"but to go and complain that your child SHOULD be able to eat those things, and SHOULD be able to bring them to school for the other kids to eat is weird to me." Thank you. This is really what was bugging me about the whole thing. YOu put it into words way better than I did...
In my paper, I alos wrote a long list of thigns that make good snacks and where to find them inexpensively. I hate being told what not to do and then not given am alternative, so I made sure to leave contact info in case anyone had a ny questions or prblems finding good food. I think you are right about the long shlef life theory. Junk is way easier to buy, store and serve. waaaay easier. that is where the problem lies...

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Thats what I think it is too.

People want the easiest option. (to put it nicely)
Good for you for pursuing this. It is so worth it, for your children and our little ones who will be going to school someday. I had no idea they would serve that kind of junk, and McDonalds? Yech.

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sugar is addictive just like

sugar is addictive just like cigarettes. You know how angry some smokers get (and i know cause i used to be one of them) anytime someone points out that smoking is bad for them or that they don't like second hand smoke? same thing. People who consume a lot of sugar and whos kids consume a lot of sugar do not want to hear that it isn't ok. You are knocking their drug of choice and that makes them feel threatened and when people feel threatened they attack. the same thing would happen if you tried to get in between me and my morning coffee. i'd try to kick your ass Wink

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Ah, the juice box wars. I

Ah, the juice box wars. I guess I am glad to know that some mama out there is still in the struggle. As for me, I've surrendered on some things. Like Capri Sun. I give my kids Capri Sun and other juiceboxes. They get a juicebox in their lunch almost every day. Some days it's better stuff like Juicy Juice or some other 100% juice brand; and if I'm flush with green I'll even buy the 100% juice and organic juice boxes. Other weeks its Capri Sun, especially if it was on sale 4 cartons (of 10 boxes) for $4, LOL.

and those nasty little orange crackers? I've sent that as a group snack too. Sometimes money was tight and we just didn't have enough to send enough apples for everybody or whatever. But you can get a big pack of the nasty orange crackers for like a dollar. Consider that it's not that other parents are 'willfully ignorant', but maybe stressed for time and money. Or, like me, generally feed their kids well so don't fret over a little junk. I've been a vegetarian for almost 20 years, vegan for all of this year, and raising veggie kids. My kids eat multiple types of grains, raw and/or lightly steamed vegetables, nuts of some sort, and many pieces of different types of fruit every day. I am vegan but they are lacto-ovo vegetarian, and when they do eat eggs it's organic eggs. Occasionally they get 100% juice at dinner, but mostly they drink water at home.

I am not saying that the parents you are dealing with also in general feed their kids well or have money issues that would affect them sending in a healthy snack, I don't know them; just offerring an alternative view. I would have been offended by that letter you wrote, too, because I would have felt like, this woman does not know me or my family or what we usually feed the kids! How is she going to mandate what I send as snack? and I'm vegan! I can just imagine how ruffled a meat-eater might have felt by that, lol.

I do feel you are doing the right thing, I just don't agree with how you went about it. Of course people were offended, c'mon. If you don't see why parents got upset over that, try replacing the word 'sugar' with 'meat' and then ending the letter with a 'no-meat' rule. Which is something I did back in the day, I tried to get my daughter's pre-school to stop serving meat. To everybody. As you can imagine that did not go over well. And I tried to front like it was me just caring about the kids, when truth be told my real concern was that one of those kids would offer my daughter some nasty hot dog or bolonga or some other meat. After I realized my daughter was not going to eat meat at school even if offered and she had no interest in it, I relaxed considerably. Also the school agreed to check ingredients of everything for animal products before offering it to my daughter.

Oh yeah truly, if you give you son a good foundation on food at home, he is going to carry that with him. Generally my kids prefer fruit over junk, and if we have to make a choice about food they always go for the healthy stuff. Like if my money is tight and we're at the store and I say, I don't have enough money for potato chips and plums, which do you want? They will say plums! and they don't get candy much at all, so every easter and halloween is a big deal for them...but then they don't eat very much of it. All my kids had candy still in their easter boxes until last month, then I made them throw it out. They just don't have a taste for it.

Maybe you and the other parents could keep sending in healthy snacks? and on the days there is junk send your son with an alternative snack, like a pack of raisins or a baggie of home made granola or something.

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I can sort of see the meat

I can sort of see the meat analogy, but I guesss I just figure that the world knows there are NO nutritional benefits to sugar, while meat does carry iron and protien and all sorts of other nutrtional benefits. So I can't really compare the two.
The way i see it is that benefits from vaccinations are far more debatable than sugar in the diet and yet they are mandatory.
And what really gets me is that nutrition is NOT taught in school. That the parents need more education in this matter than the students do.
I never said no meat at school for my pups ( we are veggie, too), I felt that THAT would definately be imposing my beliefs on others. I just asked that they don't offer it to my preschooler and my 2nd grader wouldn't eat it anyway. But sugar has a far stronger draw for anyone. I have had to put it in a note at the office that my boy isnot allowed to have a Capri-Sun at snack. They have 27g of sugar, soda has 30g. Not too different. For perspective, an adult daily intake of sugar (including fruit, bread, juice etc.) is 40g. It is important, not just to me, but or the health of the other kids.
I can see irritated, but offended and upset? just seems like an over-reaction to me. Of course, I am not a parent who feeds thier kids crap and never have been, so it is very difficult for me to see that side of it. Thank you for the POV, tho. I am slowly begining to see why it COULD be offensive, I just can't quite make sense of it yet...
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oh yeah I agree, meat does

oh yeah I agree, meat does have some nutrional stuff in it but like processed sugar, it is totally unneccessary for people to eat.

I also think it is commendable that you care so deeply what other children eat. and that you are comitted to your kids not ever eating or drinking junk.

Having been a vegetarian so long and going through similar things when my kids were younger, I have learned to tread lightly when discussing with other parents what their kids should eat. I have found that discussions on meat-eating and sugar are highly volatile and expressing to other parents who consume either that they shouldn't let their kids eat such causes offense.

You never know, though, you have definitely caused the parents involved to think about what they feed their kids. and that's a good thing.

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god, i relate so much...

my kid is already the vegetarian, healthy food kid at her school. the other kids question her about her chickpeas and yogurt lunches (shit, it's what she likes, ok?? today her passionate request was for baby corn.) her snack is v8 and popcorn (luckily they bring their own). i'm not saying my kids never get junk-i'm a fun mom all the way, but i'll be damned if i fill them head to toe with hydrogenated oil, sugar, salt and chemicals on a regular basis. i'm not smug about it, i'm not on a crusade...but i take this seriously. it is SO hard to hold your line on it too b/c literally every other kid at school either buys their lunch (oh the horror of processed chicken nuggets, greasy chips, little debbie snack cakes, etc...)or brings a lunchbox filled with crap. and it's impossible to blame people for these choices to me, b/c frankly, it is clearly what culture is offering in almost every aisle of every grocery store as a normal, healthy choices for food.

juice is a rarity here, except for v8 (not perfect, i know...lots of salt and stuff, but...)because we are all prone to diabetes in my family. i have so many food issues and weight issues...i just do not want to saddle my kids with that. we have cake at birthday parties or holidays, and all bets are off on christmas eve. we have popcorn for snacks with movies. but i'm bitch mom around halloween...they trick or treat freely and fill up their coffers, but then i ask lily to have only 2 pc a day for a few days after, then i quietly put it in the closet until she asks about it. jonah's gets hidden and only doled out when he thinks of it...

i DO agree with reverend mother that sometimes the social context is far more important than junk food policing...i see that you feel the same way about that, 5ive. and i rarely ever put my foot down about junk in a social context (sweet lady at the Y who always, always gives Jonah a lolipop...grrrrr), only because we are able to avoid so much by our lunch/snack choices. it's just the every day element that you are facing that is so frustrating. for us it's the social pressure that kindergarten kids sometimes have a hard time blowing off...she is already asking for dessert every day "cuz all the kids get so much 'good' stuff in their lunch"...we comprimised on fridays as dessert day. pudding or some such. i can only hope she feels confident in herself to keep making good choices.

as for your letter, maybe it will raise consciousness in some unseeable way and it will end up being for the good. as for me, i would be SO grateful to see such a letter. i wanted to weep with gratitude when lily's tough as nails but fabulous teacher said w/out hesitation "no junk. pack what you want in their lunches, that is outside of my classroom, but in here they need a nutritious snack. peanuts. fruit. cheese. popcorn. no pop. no sugar." thank you ms. katz!!! and thank you5ive for toeing the line on this one.

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"no junk. pack what you want

"no junk. pack what you want in their lunches, that is outside of my classroom, but in here they need a nutritious snack. peanuts. fruit. cheese. popcorn. no pop. no sugar." thank you ms. katz!"
See? This is all that I want. I don't want people to change thier personal eating habits. I have no control over that. Just that when they are feeding other kids, to forgoe the sugar. sigh...

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Bizarre is right

The reaction that you have gotten here sounds so strange to me. Why would anyone be angry, hostile, or resistent to their kid eating healthy snacks?! It makes no sense. You're trying to do something to encourage the school to do something that is *good* for the students. It's not as though you're asking for a bad thing. I am truly shocked by the reaction. I just want to encourage you and say that you are doing the right thing. Wow.

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Judgement

They were offended because they saw what she wrote as a judgement on their parenting. It's that simple.
It is like when some random stranger comes up to me and asks why my baby has no shoes on (in the summer) my first reaction will always be anger, "why does this person think she knows what is best for MY baby"

*Not saying I disagree with you, 5ive, just that I understand why they were offended.

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Their problem

If they took her comment as judgment, that is their issue. If it had been worded as, "Since so many of you seem to have a problem choosing healthy snacks, we're going to impose the following rule so that you don't make the same mistakes in the future..." then it might be understandable. But it wasn't.

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That is so odd.

Especially coming from a group of Montessori school parents. We generally have our kids there because we're a bit "alternative."

I'm sorry to hear you're having difficulties with the food issue. Our school (DS is 4 and in the preschool area) actually sent home a list of acceptable healthy snacks to bring in for snack-time. Each child is responsible for the morning snack two days out of the month.

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Thanks fpor all of your

Thanks fpor all of your responses here, guys. It really helps to both see other points of view and to be backed up in what I am doing.
I can't seem to talk rationally with anyone at the school about it as it seems to be a rather heated disagreement for some reason. I REALLY don't want to change other's eating ahbits, I just want the kids to have a healthy snack to keep them going in school. Is that really so much to ask?

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This seems so strange to me.

This seems so strange to me. My kids go to public school, and we have a list of acceptable snacks that can be brought in. Even the kids individual daily snack (which we provide ourselves)has to be on the accepted list - NO sugary or processed stuff allowed. Odd coming from a private school, I think.

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No, not at all. It could

No, not at all. It could just be all in the presentation. Like look at sisterstu's list of acceptable snacks her daughter's school offers, I bet most parents would agree to that. Maybe you can ask the other parents who agree with you that sugary snacks are bad to present this list or a similar one to the school? Or another parent to do it as they may not be receptive to you?

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