Kinda weird election thought

raspberrytoast's picture

When the democrat nomination came down to a white woman and a black man (in mainstream terms, because one could argue that "black" and "white" are colors not descriptions for people), I was excited to see how it played out because it kinda mirrors history a little bit back in the day when white women and black men were fighting for suffrage for their gender and ethnicities respectively.

Like Hillary Clinton is a little bit Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Obama is a little bit Frederick Douglass.

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Submitted by mamakats on

The New York Times did a very large expose comparing the current election to Cady-Stanton & Douglas maybe 8 months - a year ago. Isn't it interesting that McCain chose Palin - and how is she like Geraldine Ferraro....?

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raspberrytoast's picture

I'm not cultured, I missed the NY Times article, lolz, but I would like to find it and read it, I think the parallels are interesting.
Good point about Ferraro too!

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Submitted by lapina on

and just like ECS and FD, neither wanted to support the others cause because both thought the other represented groups that had it better than their own.

"a serious question whether we had better stand aside and see 'Sambo' walk into the kingdom [of civil rights] first." ~ Elizabeth Cady Stanton

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Submitted by mamaneen on

even before the civil war, and stanton was an abolitionist activist before the sexism in that movement drove her to help found the woman's movement in the u.s. it wasn't until all the white dudes in the reconstruction congress were too cowardly to include universal suffrage in the post-civil war amendments to the constitution that the division was created, but even then, if recall correctly, douglass still supported women's suffrage. also, i'm troubled by the way much of the treatment of that historical series of events and this ongoing series of events treats black women as non-entities which makes me think of that book _all the women are white, and all the blacks are men, but some of us are brave_ - http://www.amazon.com/But-Some-Us-Are-Brave/dp/0912670959

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Submitted by mamaneen on

http://www.illdoctrine.com/2008/07/how_to_tell_people_they_sound.html

without getting into what the clintons are or are not, both of them said both explicitly and implicitly racist shit on the primary campaign trail, and it's part of what turned me from hilary to obama.

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raspberrytoast's picture

I was disappointed in the women back in the day when they didn't support the 14 or was it 15th amendment.
I'm totally a Frederick Douglass fan. I think he totally tried to get the women suffrage movement to see the bigger picture and try to help each other instead of divide. I feel like Hillary needed to remember that a bit earlier in the game.
Also, I have heard some of the things that the Clintons have said, and I wonder at what point did Bill and Hilary lose their damn minds. I guess I am just hesitant to call anyone a racist, especially someone like Hillary who I had hoped would handle all of the election stuff better than it looks like she has.
Although, you never know, it could just be out untrustworthy media portraying her unfair because she is a powerful and smart women.

Oh, and yeah the women's movement was super white as far as we know, ya know? Like I'm sure other peoples were organizing and talking, but history is somewhat limited to what was recorded and who recorded it. Feminism def had a nice middle class ring to it for many years.

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Submitted by mamaneen on

only insofar as mainstream u.s. culture and history chose/chooses to view it, imho. black women were activating and organizing for suffrage and other women's issues at the same time anthony and stanton were, but their efforts go largely unremarked in most mainstream histories which go largely unremarked themselves, et cetera.

many first nations have a long history of women being in better positions socially and culturally than the women of non-native cultures that arrived in the western hemisphere later, and those and other nations have their own histories of women resisting the imposition of non-native, sexist cultural constructs and activating and organizing to preserve or re-establish or simply claim better treatment of and more respect for women and girls. there is even some support for - i believe it was stanton observing and/or reading about the social power of haudenosaunee {iroquois} women and using that as a model for her own work.

and of course, similar current and historical evidence of non-white women's role modeling and working around gender and sexism could be presented for every non-white race/ethnicity. it frustrates me that the national conversations on these issues are still so very oversimplified. thanks for bringing up these historical threads here, though. now, if only the mainstream media would take a queue or two from the hipmamas!

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raspberrytoast's picture

I agree totally.

I have always wanted a new history book that includes an accurate as possible account of women in history, and people point out books that illustrate women in history, but I want one that just includes it as a part of world events, not a special side bar or whatever. Make any sense?

The wise poet Rumi tells us--
Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there
http://www.ponycherry.blogspot.com/

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